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02-20-2014 09:07 PM  3 years agoPost 81
dahld

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Other than Mikado contracting the gimbals from Japan (I guess they figured they couldn't do it any better than what's available now...so why try), the radio is 100% out of the mind of Mikado and their designers. They started with a blank sheet of paper, and went from there. Any similarities with existing products is by coincidence.

As far as how the radio "looks"...well, Kyle was helping Mikado with the shape, size, feel, switch placement, ergonomics, data input schemes etc. over two years ago. That's how long the project has been in the works. Nothing "borrowed" from others. It looks like it does because that's the way Mikado thought it should look

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02-20-2014 09:23 PM  3 years agoPost 82
RyanW

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Thank you for the info Dave.

I have personally laser scanned the XG11 case and manipulated the surfaces in 3D CAD software, so I am intimately familiar with them. I was also working on a project that involved a brand new case design, but it was for myself because I really couldn't stand the feel of the XG11. This was before the other JR transmitters were available, so I am not sure where that puts it time frame wise.

I am not saying anyone copied anything, but you must admit there is an uncanny resemblance to the JR 11X / XG11. Not the same as, but definitely some design intent surely had to come from it. Details even down to the changes in surface finish between adjacent surfaces in the same area around the screen are almost identical.

Not saying this is a good or bad thing, just an honest observation.

-Ryan
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02-20-2014 09:23 PM  3 years agoPost 83
utahslim

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i for 1 dont like the fact you have to charge the lipo inside the radio
What are you talking about? It's fine. I've been charging a factory in my DX8 and, now, my DX9 for years and have never had a single problem. Same goes for many others, as well.

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02-20-2014 09:53 PM  3 years agoPost 84
es1co2bar3

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post on wrong thread.

Comoñ guy's don't go overboard just yet let see, GM just come out with the new corvette stingray saying it a 3.0 car, now the best of the best drivers can only get 5.8 lowest 4.8, " now the question being ask is it a 5.8 and not 3 0 as we're told? "Now

All the $60,000 big spender is P O about this.

"So let wait for this mojo to hit the market and see. 
The mikado Web site is pretty much complicated as I don't speak Dutch or Germany'es 
And I hope we don't have to pay for firmware upgrade 

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-20-2014 09:56 PM  3 years agoPost 85
Anthony.L

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There is this button on the Mikado web page that shows all the text in this language called English. It's far out complicated, so I can see the issues you are having...

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02-20-2014 10:09 PM  3 years agoPost 86
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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the looks like a futaba design rx hope its using futaba technology

Insha Allah made in america

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02-20-2014 10:26 PM  3 years agoPost 87
deanguy

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There is this button on the Mikado web page that shows all the text in this language called English. It's far out complicated, so I can see the issues you are having...
Owned!

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02-20-2014 10:34 PM  3 years agoPost 88
mr dan

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One of Mikados turn offs for me is just that.. having to pay for firmware upgrades. that to me is wrong , but I guess if you can afford the product you can afford the cost the comes with it in the future,

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02-20-2014 10:42 PM  3 years agoPost 89
Ghostrider

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One of Mikados turn offs for me is just that.. having to pay for firmware upgrades. that to me is wrong
I can never understand how and why people complain about this. We spend thousands and thousands of dollars in this hobby yet people will complain about spending $40/$50 for an optional item. If you want to bitch about something, bitch about the cost of servos, blades, motors, replacement parts, V2 whatever, etc. Not an optional item!

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02-20-2014 10:46 PM  3 years agoPost 90
Anthony.L

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One of Mikados turn offs for me is just that.. having to pay for firmware upgrades. that to me is wrong , but I guess if you can afford the product you can afford the cost the comes with it in the future,
So that copy of Windows 98 of Office 98 you bought 10+ years ago should entitle you to a free copy of every version Microsoft develops and releases for the rest of your life?

Come on, be realistic. Software development costs HUGE money, plain and simple. If you don't want to pay, then keep running the software you already own. Pretty simple really.

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02-20-2014 10:47 PM  3 years agoPost 91
es1co2bar3

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[quote] There is this button on the Mikado web page that shows all the text in this language called English. It's far out complicated, so I can see the issues you are having...

well you might be talking about 2014 after the readyheli saga, "I 'M talking about the European database the one we went to' for the firmware upgrade,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-20-2014 10:48 PM  3 years agoPost 92
Anthony.L

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Yeah that's in English as well, I did the upgrade myself on two Vbars.

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02-20-2014 11:01 PM  3 years agoPost 93
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Wonder what the complete combo kit are going for Tx + 480 Vbar esc n motor humm dreams

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02-20-2014 11:12 PM  3 years agoPost 94
Heli_Splatter

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How Do They Come Out of Nowhere Like This?

Did they hyjack a big name radio designer? I mean, this is quite a big step by a company known for high quality FBL systems. I know they are good with the V-Bar, but do they really know what they are doing with the whole radio system? It sounds like the development time has been 2 years or more. That seems reasonable for a high feature system.

Did they partner with another radio firm? Is that why it resembles some other radio offerings?

As with any new design... there are going to be people on the bleeding edge and then the rest of us.

Good luck to them... I will be watching.

80 Channels???

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02-20-2014 11:37 PM  3 years agoPost 95
dahld

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Q: Quote, "Did they partner with another radio firm? Is that why it resembles some other radio offerings?"

A: (from an earlier post on this thread):

"Other than Mikado contracting the gimbals from Japan (I guess they figured they couldn't do it any better than what's available now...so why try), the radio is 100% out of the mind of Mikado and their designers. They started with a blank sheet of paper, and went from there. Any similarities with existing products is by coincidence.

As far as how the radio "looks"...well, Kyle was helping Mikado with the shape, size, feel, switch placement, ergonomics, data input schemes etc. over two years ago. That's how long the project has been in the works. Nothing "borrowed" from others. It looks like it does because that's the way Mikado thought it should look."

Quote, "...do they really know what they are doing with the whole radio system?"

Well, I can tell you it works, as Kyle has been flying it in secret for quite some time now with no issues. He will be flying it during the Rotor Live Show and competition in Germany in 2 weeks.

(-: Dave

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02-20-2014 11:47 PM  3 years agoPost 96
boogie12

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Did they hyjack a big name radio designer? I mean, this is quite a big step by a company known for high quality FBL systems. I know they are good with the V-Bar, but do they really know what they are doing with the whole radio system? It sounds like the development time has been 2 years or more. That seems reasonable for a high feature system.
Did they partner with another radio firm? Is that why it resembles some other radio offerings?
I have the feeling Futaba may have something to do with the development of this radio. It's using FHSS as a signal protocol, the RX looks like a Futaba S-Bus RX, The wireless Buddy Boxing and ability to have another Vbar Radio bind and fly one model reminds me of the data and settings transfer capabilities of the Futaba T8J. I would not be surprised if this radio is able to transmit to Futaba Rx's in the near future making the radio compatible with no Vbar units like BeastX and Ikon making the radio as useful as all of the other brands on the market.

Overall I think if the price of this radio is in line with JR, Spektrum, Futaba and others I think they may have come out with a real winner.

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02-20-2014 11:51 PM  3 years agoPost 97
Dr.Ben

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This radio was not a Mikado/Futaba collaboration.

Ben Minor

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02-21-2014 12:04 AM  3 years agoPost 98
RyanW

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For some reason I thought Mikado showed a prototype transmitter back in 2007 at the Toy Fair, but I went through the archives and found it was Reflex. Oh well.

If you look at Mikado's history, they vet and validate things out pretty well before release. I am sure they have had some issues with the release of something, but I can't really thing of anything that comes to mind.

The original Logo 500/600 frame was a huge investment and we are still raving over it seven or more years later! The herringbone gear arrangement has been pretty much bulletproof (not sure about the first release because I didn't have one of those). The plastic blade grips are awesome (the only manufacturer I trust to have plastic blade grips). I can go on and on, but their track record says this thing was tested inside and out, front to back and left to right.

Could it have some gremlins? Sure. I would bet money they are a lot fewer and far between than other well known brands.

Just for clarification on my earlier post about the design- that was my observation. It wasn't a bashing or pointing finger post. I am borderline Mikado fan-boy The only non-Mikado in my lineup is a TDR and it is for sale to make room for another Mikado or two.

Thanks!

-Ryan
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02-21-2014 12:08 AM  3 years agoPost 99
FRANK R

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I cannot believe, every time Mikado, Logo, VBar are mentioned on a post, it starts calm , but becomes a hot discussion even bashing matches after a while!.. It becomes a very long discussion, lots and lots of pages in no time!... For the non Mikado fans I would suggest to stay away and keep your beef for yourselves. I myself used to have a Vbar and never had a problem for a couple of years, but just decided to try something else. I have no intention to defend or be defensive for a company that I don't represent, not to mention I pay big $$ for their items and not free! ... Anyway I can see how all Mikado fans becomes very anxious for this new Transmitter coming out from Mikado. Congratulations!...You have a new toy to spend your big $$.

Demon in ME... Kosmik = Kostme

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02-21-2014 12:15 AM  3 years agoPost 100
Qrrambero

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I just hope this hobby doesn't become like computers. In the moment you spend few thousand in one, there is a new one better and cheaper.
The Transmitter is already in the Mikadousa web page.No price

http://shop.mikadousa.com/Mikado-VB...stem_p_939.html

Ae

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