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02-20-2014 05:15 PM  3 years agoPost 61
jbdww

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$2k is way to much for a radio with no diversity.
What I was trying to say is that you can not use the radio for other models besides VBar.

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02-20-2014 05:17 PM  3 years agoPost 62
Anthony.L

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What I was trying to say is that you can not use the radio for other models besides VBar.
ah ha, ok that comment makes more sense. It's no secret this will be a radio for Vbar customers and Vbar customers alone. However Vbar still owns the majority of the FBL system market, so it's not like there aren't a few of those people around...

BTW, the $2k was something that was thrown out in the air, please don't take that as gospel.

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02-20-2014 05:22 PM  3 years agoPost 63
jbdww

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BTW, the $2k was something that was thrown out in the air, please don't take that as gospel.
Understand. The radio needs to be in the sub $500 range. Just my 2 cents worth.

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02-20-2014 05:23 PM  3 years agoPost 64
Jesse Kavros

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Alright guys, I'm going to try and help cut down a lot of the assumptions on price and make everything a little bit more clear here.

1) For the speculations on price, no one knows yet, yes I'm sure mikado has an idea in their head on what it will be around but nothing has been mentioned yet. I don't even know the price!

2) There is telemetry, stated in the video, Kyle explained briefly that there is things such as RPM that will be displayed on the radio, as with others mentioned in the video.

3) Talking about how the models work, the radio detects all the data from the vbar and pulls it over to the radio. Hence the "unlimited" model memory.

4) The size of the radio is definitely not an issue. If you have ever met Kyle, you will understand that he is tall and has a background of gymnastics so he is no stranger to the gym. He is big, therefore him holding a normal sized radio makes it look small. Trust me, I have seen the radio before, it is not small.

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02-20-2014 05:24 PM  3 years agoPost 65
pistol974

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I haven't seen where it is vbar only. If it can be setup for planes im sure there will be a way to use with others.

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-20-2014 05:36 PM  3 years agoPost 66
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I have successfully used Vbars in my planks before. Admittedly, there is no "airplane friendly" user interface, so you do have to be a little bit creative in how you set things up because eCCPM does not work for a plank and the "collective pitch" function needs to go to a variable pitch propeller (or be set to zero). But overall, a Vbar in a plank works very well. I have been encouraging Mikado for years to market their Vbar to the planker crowd. It's really cool being able to hover a plank hands off, or to perform a very slow 16 point roll on a plank by simply moving the aileron control. Even landing a plank with a Vbar in it is cool because the airplane tracks the runway like it is following an ILS approach path. I have even experimented by setting the CG on a plank about 4 inches rearward of where it needs to be for "stable" flight, and as a result been able to perform perfect 90 degree corners on square loops with the inherent stability of the plank being replaced by the virtual stability of the Vbar. So when you look at this radio, you cannot say that "it won't work for airplanes" because that simply is not true.

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02-20-2014 05:48 PM  3 years agoPost 67
Charlie R

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Can you bind this to a MCPX ?

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02-20-2014 06:02 PM  3 years agoPost 68
jbdww

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I have successfully used Vbars in my planks before.
This would be for another thread, but I would love to see your setup and how you did this.

I would love to see VBar for other things like Planks, and Multirotors.
Can you bind this to a MCPX ?
No.
2) There is telemetry, stated in the video, Kyle explained briefly that there is things such as RPM that will be displayed on the radio, as with others mentioned in the video.
The only telemetry I see is the RPM, and vibration signal. For real telemetry I want to see voltage status. I am sure that the current VBar does not support this kind of info.

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02-20-2014 06:09 PM  3 years agoPost 69
Jesse Kavros

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The only telemetry I see is the RPM, and vibration signal. For real telemetry I want to see voltage status. I am sure that the current VBar does not support this kind of info.
Let me show you where they do list other telemetry options:

8th bullet from the top of "Software Highlights"

"Several telemetry functions are available, such as voltages, current, rpm, speed, and power consumption of the batteries (may need additional hardware)."

Taken straight from their website.

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02-20-2014 06:10 PM  3 years agoPost 70
pistol974

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For real telemetry I want to see voltage status. I am sure that the current VBar does not support this kind of info.
That's what the satellite is for.

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-20-2014 06:14 PM  3 years agoPost 71
Anthony.L

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Can you bind this to a MCPX ?
Seriously people? The name of this radio is Vbar Control, it's designed for Vbar flybarless control systems, if you are not a Vbar customer today you probably won't be buying one.

If this new radio used Spektrum/JR technology or was cross compatible I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

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02-20-2014 06:21 PM  3 years agoPost 72
3dgimble

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Seriously people? The name of this radio is Vbar Control, it's designed for Vbar flybarless control systems, if you are not a Vbar customer today you probably won't be buying one.
If this new radio used Spektrum/JR technology or was cross compatible I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
I would agree as well.

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02-20-2014 06:22 PM  3 years agoPost 73
3dgimble

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I have have Futaba system pretty much pioneered user settings control on a FBL system, its called the CGY750, Mikado only took it one step further.

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02-20-2014 06:31 PM  3 years agoPost 74
Dr. Fibinotchi

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hmm..

"I would like to know more than price, such as latency, 2.4 methodology, hopping, shifting, specific details. We learned throughout the growth of 2.4 technology that all 2.4 implementations are NOT created equally, especially in ever increasingly noisy 2.4 environments."

Agree. The details matter, and while I run all Vbar, all the cards must be on the table before anything can be said. I think this is a step forward if some key items like cost are addressed. Adjusting the bird at the field is huge during setup if you do not have a laptop/ netbook nearby and looks very fast. If they follow KISS laws, and the cost is not an arm and leg that would be two steps in the right direction.

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02-20-2014 06:41 PM  3 years agoPost 75
Jeff polisena

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Mikado has never fell short when releasing a new product . If price stops you then dont bash the technology ,you just can't afford it and that's that ,NO biggie most are not able to afford things we want . If you fly other products that Mikado will not function with then Mikado is not for you . Im fine with price ,no matter what it is because I feel you get what you pay for and I've never paid too much money for a Mikado product . You can SPECULATE but why rant before knowing all the facts or never using Mikado products.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-20-2014 07:15 PM  3 years agoPost 76
Anthony.L

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Mikado has never fell short when releasing a new product . If price stops you then dont bash the technology ,you just can't afford it and that's that ,NO biggie most are not able to afford things we want . If you fly other products that Mikado will not function with then Mikado is not for you . Im fine with price ,no matter what it is because I feel you get what you pay for and I've never paid too much money for a Mikado product . You can SPECULATE but why rant before knowing all the facts or never using Mikado products.
Well said! I get tired of people bashing products just because they don't agree with the price or the exclusivity of it.

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02-20-2014 08:28 PM  3 years agoPost 77
Stephen Born

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Methodologies and technologies are constantly changing, and Mikado embraced these changes.

A lot of time and thought went into designing this radio.

Well done.

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02-20-2014 08:32 PM  3 years agoPost 78
JKos

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He mentions the gimbals being from a well-known Japanese company. Hmm... Futaba or JR?

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02-20-2014 08:56 PM  3 years agoPost 79
RyanW

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You would have to think JR would be part of this with the affiliation and the fact that there are certain parts of this transmitter that look 99% like the JR XG11.

However if it wasn't JR it makes you wonder what will happen with the 'Team JR' relationships...

-Ryan
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02-20-2014 09:01 PM  3 years agoPost 80
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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i think it look more like jetti or mulitplex

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