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02-17-2014 08:44 AM  3 years agoPost 21
Funky Trex

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http://www.amainhobbies.com/product...-Helicopter-Kit

They are a bit heavier than most of the other 550s but the quality and flight characteristics are outstanding. They look like they would take a crash better than some of the other options.

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02-17-2014 11:52 AM  3 years agoPost 22
pistol974

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http://www.fblrotors.com/Helicopter...ergy_c_103.html

You get some free titanium links when you buy from Ralph.

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-17-2014 12:29 PM  3 years agoPost 23
Rob43

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I've often found that although there's some risk involved, the better values come from the classifieds. Couple of nice E5's I've seen in there, as well as a nice Compass 6HV. Typically better electronics are included, or you're not paying for them and the price is very low for an airframe and motor. Combo's are great for getting in though.

Rob

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02-17-2014 12:41 PM  3 years agoPost 24
Dan Minick

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fblrotors.com will yield the best deal on an E5. Ralph is a great guy and you will probably get your kit in 2 days.

probably crash better? definitely crash better, don't ask how i know

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

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02-17-2014 01:11 PM  3 years agoPost 25
WBFAir

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A lot of good suggestions here, but I would still circle back to the TRex 550.

Others might have some higher pluses on a few points, but when you list it going across the board, the TRex 550 would be my pick.

Perfectly good support behind the product as any in the business. Basically the care they have show for their recently 150 release shows that.

Pretty much any part can be gotten and pretty much anywhere. Which helps keeps cost down and fly time up.

For sure company is going no where with not only that, but is continually innovating.

Probably won't find a bigger selection of after market stuff made for it in its class.

High number of people using it out there so can get lots of fellow user support.

May seem like a simple and old school bird compared to say a Goblin, but nothing wrong with tried & true as usually works out better in the long run.

Basically most people who start getting into things above a 450 size eventually get other birds too and not much wrong with these others for that.

But for the first one and one that will probably be your only one till you might get others, I would go with the proven stable.

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02-17-2014 01:47 PM  3 years agoPost 26
Richardmid1

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Look at the Logo 550SX. Scorpion HK4025 1100kv motor and a YGE 90LV ESC.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-17-2014 02:23 PM  3 years agoPost 27
jtv62161

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new heli

+1 logo 400 basic

Logo 400/400se/550se/Align 550/700DFC

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02-17-2014 02:24 PM  3 years agoPost 28
Steff Giguere

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Synergy is the heli to own in 2014...Therefore E5.

Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team

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02-17-2014 04:08 PM  3 years agoPost 29
pistol974

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I would go straight for Synergy (no circling)

Absolutely the best support in the business.

Parts can be found at most shops online and the parts are not bent or cracked when bought.

They are expanding their facilities and continually innovating.

No need for aftermarket junk.

Doesn't wear out in the long run.

Synergy is defiantly a proven stable.

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-17-2014 04:33 PM  3 years agoPost 30
Richardmid1

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Synergy is great but all those things you listed could be said about Mikado! The logo 550sx is alot cheaper than the e5!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-17-2014 05:20 PM  3 years agoPost 31
pistol974

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Logos are good too!!
I personally don't like the plastic frames and belt.
But I have had them and they do fly good, good quality...

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-17-2014 05:30 PM  3 years agoPost 32
Funky Trex

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My vote is for the Trex if money is a concern at all. Mine has been extremely reliable and flies very well. I really like the 550, it has been one of the best helis I have owned.

Synergy if money is not as much of a concern. Prices are not outrageous and when you see the parts, it is easy to understand why there is a difference. The quality is very good and the design is well thought out.

I like my Logo too, but I also dislike the frames and belt. It is extremely light though.

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02-17-2014 05:31 PM  3 years agoPost 33
swk550

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I am a beginner pilot. I can hover and do some forward flight. I've been practicing with a Blade 500X and recently with a Trex 600N FBL with a microbeast. This weekend I commissioned my new Trex 550e PRO DFC with a microbeast. The Trex 550 is super stable and is easy to hover with winds that were gusting up to 20mph. For a beginner, the quality of the Trex was good. I first flew it with two 6s 2900mah batteries in parallel. Plenty of power and flight time. Then in flight mode one, I set up a higher rpm hover throtle curve and used my 5s 5000mah battery. It flies good on both set-ups. I vote for the Trex 550e PRO DFC.

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02-17-2014 05:45 PM  3 years agoPost 34
pistol974

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Hows the DFC head on your 550? Strip servos more? The person I know That flys a 550 wont run dfc on his stuff

I want to apologize for rubbing any one wrong. I am laid off for the winter and am VERY bored. Usually don't even post much The great thing is that there are so many choices. It's all pretty much personal preference. What you like is what you like.

The real argument will come with what flybarless controller to use

http://www.corflyers.com/

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02-17-2014 05:45 PM  3 years agoPost 35
shinysideUP

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Are you Align 550 guys serious, you think the 550 is a better choice over a Synergy X5?
That Align 550 has countless One-Way failures, not to mention main stripping issues, wobbly frames, not good in crashes, bad Torque Tube gears. You gotta put all sorts of KDE mods on the align 550 to fix it. Don't make it bad experience for the Guy.

Fly hard, fly low, fly till she leaves and never comes back.

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02-17-2014 06:14 PM  3 years agoPost 36
Funky Trex

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Really?? I own the Synergy, Logo and Trex. I have flown my Trex with a KDE motor, 2500 rpms, HV servos and the only frame mod I have done to my 550 is the Align DFC frame brace that is included in the newer kits. I am still flying my original gears (every single one) after 2+ years. I went through 3 or 4 one-way bearings in my 600n, but I am still using the original (re-designed version) in my 550.

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02-17-2014 07:09 PM  3 years agoPost 37
bigdog714

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Many good comments here! If your just getting back in Align is a good way to go just for the parts support, you will probably need it. I personally dont fly them anymore, I have found other helis that I feel are better flyers, more locked in. The Mikado for one , I have had a few Logo's, and they are so smooth. Hirobo always feel like they are on a string, very precise. The only Gau I have had was when they first started, not much to talk about. I have read many good things about Synergy, but as of yet have not tried one.

MD 800
Logo 600SE
Logo 14/500 Carbon
Ballistic 700
HD 500V2
Hirobo 50E
Avant 90E

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02-17-2014 07:13 PM  3 years agoPost 38
rexxigpilot

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Look at the Logo 550SX. Scorpion HK4025 1100kv motor and a YGE 90LV ESC.
That would my exact recommendation too. Now, let me caveat that a bit. The Logo is my pick provided you don't crash often, which you indicated you don't with your flying style. If you still crash a lot either because of inexperience or because low level 3D flying is your thing, perhaps the Synergy E5 or T-Rex 550 is a better choice due to parts availability. When Readyheli had the exclusive on Mikado, helicopter parts were often out of stock. This may likely change with Mikado USA and the expanded factory Mikado recently built.

My question with any Align product is the poor parts quality. Fit can often be poor. Substandard materials seem to be the norm. I've owned and still own several Align helis. Not a one of them was an error free kit. Also, why be stuck with a 3GX FBL system to get a cost savings on a combo kit? Out of all my helis, my Align helis most often are left hanging on the wall when I go to the field. I got tired of having to repair them every time I'd go flying - not because of crashes, but due to poorly made/designed components like OWB and clutches, etc.

I have not owned a Synergy although I have built a few for friends. The way the tail assembly is designed with an epoxied/glued on spring washer holding it together gives me some cause for concern. However, it apparently works just fine judging from the lack of complaints on the forums. You also know that the head of the Synergy company, Matt Botos, is one of us, an active RC enthusiast who cares about his product instead of the owner of some vacuum cleaner company based in Taiwan.

Back to the Logo 550SX. It is based on a very proven design of the Logo 500/600. I do consider the plastic framed Logos to fly better than any other heli I've owned. The 550SX is very lightweight and will perform extremely well on the single battery pack. Some of the CF and aluminum helis like the Align T-Rex 550 are just a bit too heavy for a 6S system. It overtaxes the power system IMO.

The other plus for Logo is almost zero maintenance. I have flown my Logo 600 over a thousand flights. The only thing I have had to replace is the o-ring head dampeners three times, the top main bearing once, and the motor bearings and shaft due to wear and tear. I still use the original belt! I crashed this bird only once early after owning it. So the frames, booms, bearings, main shaft and other minor components were changed at around 150 flights. My ESC caught fire while on the ground recently, so the ESC was replaced. I left the burned canopy on it for good luck. That's it as far as maintenance goes on my Logo 600.

I honestly think that if I didn't get into Logos, I may have quit the hobby out of frustration with the low quality and high cost of repairing the other brands. My Logos are my go helis for that reason alone.

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02-17-2014 07:50 PM  3 years agoPost 39
Chad Douglas

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Since we're getting further into the weeds……..

A very pleasant gal from Helihobby(many years ago).. when Logos were not exclusive to one outlet, talked me into going Mikado. She was just too passionately in favor of the Logo experience for me to ignore.(wish I could remember her name) At that time I only had Align and lesser revered models so the leap was magnificent. Got my first Logo 14 carbon. I still have it today and it flies like a friggin dream. Since then I've moved into every possible item marked Mikado, including T-shirts, hats, whitey tighties..cigars, bassinets….

So nobody here has to sell me on Logos. Still to this day, I can't believe the level of build, parts, design could so out match Align.. you know.. all those brilliant, shiny parts & upgrades from taiwan? ..and with injected molded plastic with the smoothest head even now compared to so many others. Think about the Logo head, even as it's now the simpler FBL.. it's a proven design of who knows how many years.

Then came the Logo 600. It's the only machine I've ever given a 10 out of 10. The Logo 600(I lost count on the variations of it I have) is what kept me enjoying helicopters more than any other.. by miles.

Chad

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02-17-2014 07:52 PM  3 years agoPost 40
RM3

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...Logo is almost zero maintenance

you just gave us a paragraph of stuff you fixed or replaced...dang...thats not almost zero. maybe replacing a bearing or two but all that?

Logos are nice though...a guy at our field has one with the one piece frames...

talk about low parts count and simplicity.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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