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12-22-2013 02:57 AM  3 years agoPost 1
Shawn Behrens

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I wanted to pick up some ethanol free fuel for my sons little suzuki 4 wheeler and hand held lawn equipment today and it was quite the chore.

The closest gas station that has ethanol free fuel is like 14 miles from me and with holiday traffic I decided to go a little closer to home. My alternative is a large motorcycle dealer about 4 miles away (by large I mean well over 150 new models of motorcycles, ATVs, jet skis, generators, etc on hand). I walk in the door gas can in hand and ask a confused looking salesman about their ethanol free fuel. He was like we don't sell fuel. I explained I purchased some there 6 months prior. He goes to another salesman who motions to the parts department. I stroll back to parts and the parts guy says "Sure we have gas, but it's not ethanol free". I'm like you gotta be kidding me. I thought a lot of the off road equipment specify use of non ethanol fuel? He said we just tell folk to run the tanks dry and not let the machines sit.

At this point I had to head to the next closest place which is a marina 7 miles away. Fortunately they had the fuel and the price was actually not that bad per gallon considering it's ethanol free and at a marina.

Long story short I find this nuts. Am I the only person left who prefers ethanol free fuel for my small motors. Either I am being too picky or nobody is paying attention to what they are putting in their small engines. Is my want for this ethanol free fuel worth the hassle. I don't live in a rural area either so I am wondering what other folks do in situations where they live in a more desolate area. I mean you can only store fuel so long?

To make matters worse ethanol content is going up soon.

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12-22-2013 03:26 AM  3 years agoPost 2
jbjones

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It's tough, that's for sure. I always use "real" gasoline for everything. I knew better when this crap first came out.

Then, I bought a new vehicle in '09 (Nissan). If you read the manual, you'll find that they only warranty 5% ethanol in the fuel. Guess where you can get that in the Great United States? The answer is nowhere, at least not in Mississippi. So, if you're not very careful, you can void your warranty the second you leave the lot.

Good thing that I pay attention to that kinda garbage. But, the real problem is travelling. There's virtually no way to find out stations that sell real gas along your route. It makes going to fun flies very difficult. At least, if you want to burn real gas.

Good luck to y'all.

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12-22-2013 03:38 AM  3 years agoPost 3
GREYEAGLE

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Getting tough : But our pump's our labeled - and yes content is going up. This is goofy GAS country. Water just pours out the tail pipe.

On top of that the seasonal distribution for additives is changing -depending where you live.

Guy kinda gave you bad advice on running em dry - The two strokes you can get away with it because the oil in the mix should stop the jet's from Liming up - but not alway's. On the four strokes - Personally I used too do it for storage - relentlessly -----I gave Up.

Goofie gas cost me some carb's - couldn't boil em out -couldn't Rod Em Out even if you own a set of jet reamer's. I even replaced a whole mower because it was cheaper. I got one toy bike - in storage and that carb is sterile. Hate the ritual of going thru the carb for re- storage.

Sta-bile and Fogging Oil and top cylinder treatment is all I can figure.
I'll know for sure this spring.

I won't run it do to mileage unless it gets really cheap value wise

greyeagle

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12-22-2013 03:55 AM  3 years agoPost 4
TheRickster

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If the Ethanol content goes up any more I am gonna go the AvGas route on my 2 smokes...

Rick

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12-22-2013 04:53 AM  3 years agoPost 5
BeltFedBrowning

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12-22-2013 10:58 AM  3 years agoPost 6
RayJayJohnsonJr

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I will not, given a choice, run that crap in ANYTHING! The ONLY reason it's even out there is because of the big AG lobbies. Yes, the same ones subsidized with OUR tax dollars. Getting tired of taking it in the rear end every time I turn around.

There, their and they're. It's really that simple.

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12-22-2013 02:12 PM  3 years agoPost 7
BeltFedBrowning

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12-22-2013 05:13 PM  3 years agoPost 8
unclejane

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If the Ethanol content goes up any more I am gonna go the AvGas route on my 2 smokes...
I wouldn't. The lead in 100LL avgas is much more harmful to a 2-stroke than the booze in E10. The deposits left behind by the lead end up sticking your rings in short order, prompting more frequent teardowns and cleanups. It'll eat up plugs a little faster and will drain your wallet in a hurry at almost $2 gallon more cost than regular mogas.

Just run the E10 in it and don't worry about it. The only precaution you'll really need to take (besides insuring the fuel system is ethanol-resistant) is to run the engine to operating temperature a bit more frequently. If you use the engine a lot, no problem.

I've flown my full scale (4 stroker) on E10 up to 10,000' with no problems. When I can find pure gas I prefer that, but E10 really won't give you much grief, if any.

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12-22-2013 08:40 PM  3 years agoPost 9
GREYEAGLE

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I'd like to meet up with some seasoned small engine distributors or actual service tech's from S.A. they have a 15 year head start on the USA running the stuff. In stead of listening to assumptions based upon talking out of their AZz's. Some places they run it straight - maybe Brazil.

They no doubtfully have a method to deal with the mineral or lime deposits found in the jet or faces or carb circuits. It run's fine - maybe a little less power or BTU. It's just the stinking havoc it causes to the Carb's. You can't even chip it out it seem's. It laughs at Pin or Jet reamer's. You can get it if it's still soft though.

It's full of water - On top of that most of the line distributors are adding different additive stuff to make spec. Then depending on EPA reg's it really get's stinky. Diesel is even getting weird.

Loads the seat's up, deposits hard calcium rings on the needles, causes float needles to hang, will actually close a micro circuit off.

Then you got to drill the plug's out and refit new ones in the bodies.

Some Mfg's have gone to little plastic seat about the size of a Gnat'; Azz - so be Uber Care if you use compressed air - Poof they disappear. I FIND EM but I know what I'm hunting for too !

Think maybe they use some thing else other than a typical Carb bath -
Stuff it exactly like the deposit on the bottom of a steam iron for ironing clothes.

Maybe a Lime remove product ??

Wonder what the guy's are using to douch the injectors' ??

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12-22-2013 11:30 PM  3 years agoPost 10
unclejane

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2-stroke gassers don't have injectors. As for the buildup and such, as long as you run the motor regularly it won't be any worse than E0. But if you let it sit......
And like you said he'll they run 25 to 30% in Europe, even in full scale Rotax equipped light a/c and it doesn't ground them anyway. Motors still go to TBO over there.

But true you got to keep the water out of there....
LS

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12-23-2013 12:35 AM  3 years agoPost 11
GREYEAGLE

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Don't worry Jane I won't challenge your knowledge of combustion engineering. Consider it Intellectual Property

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12-23-2013 01:07 AM  3 years agoPost 12
Chuck Bole

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Tulsa Ok. U.S.A.

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There are still a few stations around Tulsa that have
"Ethanol free Gas" on their signs. Not many but a few. One is on the way to the flying field so I usually get it there. But you are right, getting harder to find. Even here in the middle of the Oil Patch.

chuk

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12-23-2013 05:44 PM  3 years agoPost 13
midwestpilot

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There is an app for that

At least there is for the iPhone

Go to App Store and search "pure gas"

Very nice app with maps and such to help locate pure gas

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175

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12-23-2013 08:21 PM  3 years agoPost 14
BeltFedBrowning

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12-25-2013 12:54 AM  3 years agoPost 15
Gas and Go

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I am pretty sure it is Federal law- or may just be State law in Wisconsin- but here it is law that all pumps are labeled as to what they dispense- octane and ethanol content.
If your pumps are not labeled speak to the station Owner and let him know.
I had to ask once- and reminded the manager that is was law that the pumps be labeled- the next day all pumps were labeled.

Here in Wisconsin it has been getting easier to get Ethanol free gas- there is one station that offers 87 with no ethanol. and all Super America and BP stations have 92 with no ethanol.
It does cost more- about .65 cents more per gallon.

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12-25-2013 01:29 AM  3 years agoPost 16
TruckRacer

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Des Moines, Iowa

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Some states require the pumps be labeled as to ethanol content, some don't. I would imagine it could even vary by county in some cases. There is no Federal mandate regarding labeling.

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12-28-2013 04:23 PM  3 years agoPost 17
Gyronut

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Here in central Indiana everything has ethanol. My 99 Dodge Caravan with 492K is still getting 25 plus mpg and I drive it 150 miles per day,6 days a week and I have never serviced the injectors.

Rick

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12-28-2013 04:30 PM  3 years agoPost 18
BeltFedBrowning

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