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12-30-2013 09:07 AM  4 years agoPost 21
shawmcky

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Can you recommend a good dictionary too Grey?I find with those Chinese versions the spelling is all over the place It was cruel to sell yours to esco!Seems to me some folks have trouble with their first language let alone their second Anyone here remember when most Japanese goods were rubbish?Anyone ride bikes back in the day?Bridgestone tires at that time comes to mind,buyers took them off new Japanese machines before the bike even saw the road here,where they now?Look at F1 cars.Pays to keep an eye on the number one competition or all is lost!Seems these days ordinary wage earners are after a mix of sensible price and quality and there are plenty of professional unbiased reviews to help out the discerning buyer.Tend to seek the reviews out myself rather than listen to "Jack"at the bar!

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12-30-2013 01:40 PM  4 years agoPost 22
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Why purchase a new vehicle with tire's that you know are a safety hazard ? The OEM should have quality assurance standards that prevent death. But they do not -straight to market =Profit. Not our culture.
Their's.

Complete break down of the trade infringement law's -it's now happening in food product's and chemical's used from other countries. It even happened to arsenic tainted sheet rock that was imported along with aluminum alloy wire used in home's along with raw sheet steel.

You wish to examine some real spooky stuff ? Imported mechanical fasteners that are non -SAE rated - have no Q & A standards. Put your life on it along with welding quality.

That should be confirmed before life is put at risk - long before it reaches the public market over low cost. We presently have several Auto Tire issues here - from foreign import tires. Then the ever continuing recall issues of foreign auto's.

Scarey is the import NON- UL tested electrical consumer product's.
Electrical heater's ect. Stuff that is left plugged in.

Most consumers DO- Not perform any form of inquiry on a product before purchase. They don't - Should be able to trust it - If it was USA mfg by habit, they can.

Poor excuse for a MFG to measure Life on a product cost and profit then to let it out on the market and count accident's.

Even poorer to blame it on the Consumer as a Excuse.

TRULY A VAlue issue

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12-30-2013 01:53 PM  4 years agoPost 23
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That went right over your head grey,Bridgestone were crap 60-70,s era,now they are amongst the best anywhere in the world,Formula 1 is the ultimate test,all this about only the West have quality products is pure garbage,there is good and bad everywhere,the buyer determines where they spend the money,just some are wiser than others i guess.If rubbish is what you want,then there is a market in all corners of the world.Asia makes some damn good products,admit it or not

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12-30-2013 02:10 PM  4 years agoPost 24
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If so ??

Then why do ASIAN MANUFACTURED PRODUCTS RETAIN AMERICAN NAMES ?

and NOT ASIAN NAMES ?? re : The Craftsman Tool ? The May TAg ?

The Whirlpool,

The list of American names on Foreign Product's is now endless and knock off copies.

Try to solder to some zinc plated low copper alloy wire from china some time It's high quality in the crap arena.

What ever happen to the Chevy Luv Pickup ? Any of them - where did they go ?? TRy trusting asian wire rope or import chain and rigging to take the load or resist use in the element.

Fair trade law's where defeated using trade name theft.
Let them use their own market names of innovation and quality.
Their own quality issues' and their own name will collapse the manufactures that do not make grade.

The disposable consumer market - barrel program over cheap performance and low quality. Not every one goes to work like you in a F1 Formula car on a Is Land

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12-30-2013 02:34 PM  4 years agoPost 25
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So if you were looking for for helicopters in the west,and you don,t read or speak Chinese(Align)and English is a universal language,which is the smart choice of name grey?Chinese that you dont understand or english that you might? I don,t drive F1 but i would use any Bridgestone tyre today and feel safe,they fell short back then,they improved to be amongst the best,even with an english brand name!You are indeed fortunate to live in a country that never made a bad product although some might argue

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12-30-2013 02:55 PM  4 years agoPost 26
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I don't think we make any of our own tires any more ??

I do know how ever I got exactly 22,ooo mile's out of a set of Bridgstones on a new vehicle right off the lot. A full set of 18" all the way around. Absolute soft as gum rubber. At 24,000 the Kung Foo Bearing on the right front went out.

Response = Oh those are the tire's they ship with
Maybe recycle material's aren't so hot, or cutting corners on premium ingredient's.

They where low bid on the mfg's contract - either poor raw material or compounding blending issue's or a maybe a alloy issue or a lubricant issue on the bearing.

I guess according to today's performance standard's which are acceptable to the consumer , 22000 mile's arn't so bad huh ?

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12-30-2013 03:05 PM  4 years agoPost 27
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You don,t make tyres now,is that because someone makes them better? I always thought tyre compounds were like horses for courses,pick the one for long life,grip or a combination of both.The first motorcycle Bridgestones did not grip but lasted forever,thankfully one has a choice with the onset of time and technology,things not lost even in Asia it would seem.Like most things tyres are reviewed and you can pick tyres best suited to ones requirements in a brand by brand comparison.Guess who makes Firestone tires too?

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12-30-2013 03:22 PM  4 years agoPost 28
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You are here:Which? Car home >Driving your car >Car tyres >Best car tyre brands >Bridgestone
Car tyres
Bridgestone

The low-down on Bridgestone
Bridgestone is one of the top three makers in the world by volume. It takes on the two other world-players, Goodyear and Michelin, looking to snap up their market share.

If the top-rated tyre brands are beyond your purse, you'll need to know which of the rest you can trust. Some of the lesser known brands offer perfectly acceptable tyres, while others miss the mark completely and could lead you to losing control when it matters most.

We've been rating tyres for many years, so we know a bit about each of the makers and what makes them tick. Here we give the low-down on Bridgestone, to help you pick the best tyre brand for you. Armed with this information, you should check out our latest tyre test results covering over 100 tyres in eight sizes, to pick the best specific tyres for your car. And most of the big names also manufacture winter tyres. Check out our winter tyre guide to find out whether they might be for you.

Bridgestone
Bridgestone
Brand profile
Bridgestone is one of the world’s largest tyre companies; it also owns the Firestone brand, plus a range of lesser known mid-range and economy brands. Bridgestone tyres tend to be quite expensive, but they are widely available through national and regional retail chains, independents and online retailers.

Price band: High
Pros and cons
+ Very good dry grip
+ Good wet grip
+ Generally widely available
- Relatively expensive to buy

Firestone
Firestone
Brand profile
Owned by Bridgestone, Firestone is its mid-range brand - though in common with the parent brand, these tyres aren't that cheap. But they are sold by many national and regional retail chains, independents and online retailers.

Price band: High
Pros and cons
+ Very good dry handling
+ Good wet and dry grip
+ Widely available
- Relatively expensive to buy

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12-30-2013 03:34 PM  4 years agoPost 29
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About that name"Bridgestone"
"Bridgestone" was named after the name of the founder, Shojiro Ishibashi (Ishi = Stone, Bashi = Bridge).[1]

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12-30-2013 03:37 PM  4 years agoPost 30
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Another basic Consumer myth : All Tool's are created equal
You can purchase a complete Asian basic drill index at the Discount for around $7.00

Maybe get 4- 5 holes out of a particular twist drill from that index.

On the 6th hole you leave it in the hole - and junk the part or spend hours to salvage it over the Asian twist drill that either failed or went under size or even worse over size.

Yet for a Quality Twist drill : you may have payed 3X for just that single twist drill as you payed for the complete index --and yet get 200 to 400 holes before re- grind or sharpening. Where is the Value ??

Same goes for manufactures holes in product's that requires tapping.

That Asian TAP : May have cycled 300 -400 holes and gone undersize with the thread contact percentage way under spec: Then you wonder why your ASME Metric Bolt does not go into that hole or you damage the part -or if it does it's a one shot wonder -if you remove it it's damaged beyond - re -use.

Many fasteners - from off shore are now torque to spec - one use only then discard - Not for re- use -

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12-30-2013 03:51 PM  4 years agoPost 31
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I'm done with Craftsman! I have an entire tool chest full of Craftsman that I've had from years and years ago, back when they all were made in the USA. also being in the construction trade, I used to always carry a Craftsman tape measure in my nail bags, the all of a sudden they were failing, so as with the Craftsman warranty, I would take them back into Sears and replace it with no questions asked. well a few years ago I went in and found they didn't have them on the shelves, I asked why and was told they wouldn't be carrying them any longer. I did some research and found out that due to the low quality of them being constantly replaced , sears decided not to continue to sell them. This was after they announced they were now making most of those tools in Mexico. so as of to date, y tools are all USA made and will soon become relics of years past and very valuable to me. As of now, I dont let anyone barrow any of my tools home or at work! Cant depend on having them replaced by an inferior tool made outside the USA.

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12-30-2013 04:29 PM  4 years agoPost 32
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I still will loan long as I KNOW the hand's I am placing them into and I DO -Not have to worry or keep track of where they went and they accept responsibility. They immediately return upon the privilege.

With that said it is VERY RARE - I've lost alot. It's a test in itself.

I have had a couple of heart breaker's -Those that cannot be replaced and not over their value -but because they were gifted. Stolen yet given to me as a gift from a OEM. They have no- idea what they took from me or the meaning behind them . Taken for the glitter only.

They where bench one off's. They meant Alot ! From the transfer of hand's. Never Used

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12-31-2013 12:09 AM  4 years agoPost 33
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Girard , Sorry for the rant my opinion is simple buy quality stuff that you buy once and lasts a heck of a long time and employee Americans,it does matter ! And you will have a tool or whatever that will pay for itself over and over !!
rv6av8er,

My tools are Snap On, but my intent is to get my son his own tool starter set and shadow it, which is why I am leaning to the Craftsman line of tools that are the made in USA.
I would bite the bullet, and get your son Snap On or Mac.
You yourself have used them, and know they are made to last. They are pricey, but worth it. It also depends on where he will be using these tools. Home, School, Automotive service center, Machine maintenance, etc. Will there be a tool truck visiting his place of work?
James50v2,

I wish I could afford the Snap On Tools set for him so this is a budget project. Yes, Snap On tools made me a believer in quality tools. I don't know if he will ever pick up the trade of being his own mechanic. But for now, his very own set of tools to get by.


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12-31-2013 01:10 AM  4 years agoPost 34
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Girard can you get Base purchasing Privileges ??

Just thinking out of the box ---

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12-31-2013 02:35 AM  4 years agoPost 35
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Unfortunately not.


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12-31-2013 04:34 AM  4 years agoPost 36
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the Die Hard
remember the "Die Hard" dam good batteries back in the 70s, buy one and it would last you 6 years. today they only last 2 years, I had one go bad at 2 years and took it back, the guy said there was nothing he could do about it (boy was I mad), then this other guy came a long and talked to me and he replaced it, 2 years later that 2nd one went bad too,,, nothing but Interstate batteries for me from now on

Jim
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01-01-2014 01:17 PM  4 years agoPost 37
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MY tool box is full of Snap On and Mac tools. I have had them for 15 years, they still are going strong. Just replaced the timing belt on the Acura TL with them….then I sold it
How about this, buy him one or two Snap On tools and the rest Craftsman. then he can see the value in good tools and slowly build his own collection...

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01-01-2014 08:45 PM  4 years agoPost 38
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Kinda hard to stay current.
Since Snap-on went overseas (China I figure) they have been being referred to as Snap-off tools to those in the know.

You might look at Armstrong. But do realize that there are different grades by most manufacturers. Even Craftsman has a professional grade that survives just fine where I work. Granted that is more a labcoat prototyping shop, not heavy industrial.

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01-05-2014 04:59 AM  4 years agoPost 39
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Girard,

Maybe you can go with the good stuff on the tools he'll use the most often and get the cheaper stuff to fill out the set.

Cheap stuff will make him appreciate the good stuff.

Heli-itis sufferer.

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01-05-2014 05:37 AM  4 years agoPost 40
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Well I decided to go for the 309 pc Craftsman Tool set that was on sale. Soon to come, 4# XPE density foam (Black 0.5" and red 0.25" ). Now waiting for the Harbor Freight 44" roll tool chest to go on sale. Lowest I found was $359.00.

This will be a home starter set and will get the job done.


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