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12-21-2013 01:07 AM  3 years agoPost 1
Girard Ibanez

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I was disappointed to learn that I could not find a Craftsman Tool that was made in the USA.

Why Craftsman, because there is a Sears Store in every state.

Years ago as a youngster, I purchase a lot of cheap tools from a 20 foot container tool sale. All made in China. An experience learned about these types of tools.

As I traveled to America, I purchased Craftsman Tools. The sad thing was if I broke or wore out a Craftsman Tool, I had to wait till I traveled back to America for a warranty exchange.

I dumped the Craftsman to my younger brother and bought all Snap On tools. Now I am here in America and finding a Snap On truck can be hit an miss. When I don't have the broken Snap On tool, I find the roving Snap On truck.

So what I want to do is get my son his very own set of mechanics tools and this is where my problem starts. I don't want to spend a ton of $$ on the Snap On, Matco ... etc line of tools nor do I want to spend it on Harbor Freight Tools.

I preferably would like to get the Made In USA Craftsman tools but it is inevitable that even if I find the USA made Craftsman tools, it won't be long before ALL of Craftsman tools will be made in the Good o'l USA of China. So warranty returns will more than likely be an exchange of the made in USA for a Made in China.


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12-21-2013 01:42 AM  3 years agoPost 2
GREYEAGLE

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Kinda had to grasp if you pardon my pun Please :

But at one time the tool was not purchased by it's cost or it's warranty replacement policy.

That is the mind set that has over taken the trade -the warranty and cost. Craftsman came in as a consumer grade with the replacement warrenty to the public and captured the market.

Snap ON : They financed the glitter and gold trinket's

Some is so bad I would be scared to use it for the size and intended use. 1' and 3/4" drive and above.

If you broke a tool in the early days -It was because of your abuse - the tool rarely failed if used properly. If you broke it you where responsable for the abuse.

The good hard line industrial tool guy would just swap you out and right the cost off as customer service - Too A Customer ---

It was purchased by it's quality - they where stinking expensive and fit your hand like they were made for them. Didn't tear your self up -were light weight and the chrome did not flake off or rust nor collect dirt and grit and stayed polished.

Most of my really good stuff has walked because of it - but at one time I just kept them in wraps.

We did it too ourself.

Thanx - China : Patent and Copy Right Law Trade law mean's absolutely nothing

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12-21-2013 03:05 AM  3 years agoPost 3
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about 5 years ago while working on my rider I needed a really short 1/2" wrench to pull off the starter, sOooo I took my trusty 25y.o. Craftsman 1/2" wrench and cut it in half, 3 days later as I was driving by the mall I pulled in and went to Sears and got it replaced for free, the guy aked me what happened to it and I told him I had to cut down,,, no problem he said,, boy, I should have asked if I could keep it LOL

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12-21-2013 03:26 AM  3 years agoPost 4
Girard Ibanez

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So I am caught up in a decision making. Made in China Tools isn't my thing so do I bite the bullet and just buy the made in China Craftsman tool and don't think twice about it.

Your thoughts.


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12-21-2013 03:35 AM  3 years agoPost 5
gologo

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Where is SK made? Always thought those were fairly good tools also.

And yep, my toolbox is full of Craftsmen too, and no complaints.

Always thought, as nice as they are, Snap-0n was way over-priced,
but, my 23yr old Snap-on creeper is still as nice as ever and doing
great.........so maybe I should not be complaining

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12-21-2013 03:54 AM  3 years agoPost 6
Girard Ibanez

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Had a rusty bolt from a lawn mower in Guam, tried the Craftsman socket and stripped the socket and rounded the bolt head. Used the Snap On socket and was able to remove the bolt. Was sold on Snap On ... but here in America, I am leaning towards Craftsman, only because Sears is every where I've gone.


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12-21-2013 03:56 AM  3 years agoPost 7
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IF you like nice Candy : You should 1st Locate a Machine Tool Jobber or Industrial Supply House : A GoodONE with Service

Granger is a good Catalog shop : But Most do Not Know what is what quality wise when they see the different vendor names.

Expect to spend some scratch for the fine wine -other wise off to Harbor Freight

A GOOD Jobber Shop : will Have Multiple displays - Then go find the Oldest Saltiest Salesperson in their -- PRIME. He just hang's out for the coffee and to pick up his check's. He could care less what the house makes - Just to teach the brands and Piss off the Young sales people. He might take you into the ware house.

OTC /Bonney /Proto / Wright / Part's of the Cooper Line / S & K

Also Know that in EACH LINE - Their are Levels of Higher Archy

In my short amount of borrowed TIME : I have met Mr. Wright at a GSA in Nor Fork , and The Peterson's of the Original Vice Grip when it was a Novelty.

I guess I came at a great time in the Industry

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12-21-2013 04:23 AM  3 years agoPost 8
Girard Ibanez

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GREYEAGLE,

Thanks for painting a vivid picture ... my mind can see clearly now.

THANKS!


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12-21-2013 05:09 AM  3 years agoPost 9
GREYEAGLE

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Some thing you may wish to consider if you are employed at a manufacturing Compay that has a GOOd Buyer :

Is ask to visit / with the Senior Tooling Buyer or Purchasing agent : See if he has a few Tool Cataloques you can
( borrow }
Pick out a few thing's with a itemized Part Number List :

See If he will Fax it to His Tool Vendor : For :

BEST PRICE --- Stuff is Spendy so be ready for it

He probably buys a little lower grade for the plant do to theft -

But he may be able to save you some money and PAY CASH - check - and authorize the purchase all the thru the chain of command , for coverage

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12-21-2013 05:42 AM  3 years agoPost 10
Pistol Pete

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http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html

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12-29-2013 10:32 PM  3 years agoPost 11
BobOD

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I had a snap ring fall out of a 30 year old Craftsman socket wrench. It was nice to bring it to my local Sears and get a free replacement...which lasted about 2 years of infrequent use. It slips if I put any kind of torque on it. I wish I had just found a replacement snap ring.
I doubt they'll keep the reputation they once had.

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12-29-2013 10:53 PM  3 years agoPost 12
TruckRacer

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The quality of Craftsman tools has gone up and down like a yoyo over the years I have been buying them. This has been going on for decades and long before the Chinese ever got into the tool game. The best Craftsman tools I own were the ones bought way back in the 60s and 70s! This goes especially for thin wall sockets and end wrenches. In those days, the quality approached that of Snap-On. Not even close today.

Agree or not, but today, some of the best "economy" tools are coming from China and Taiwan as with so many other products, US producers just can't compete. These tools can be found at some of the larger auto parts and home improvement stores. Check them any way you want for uniformity, finish, strength, precision, etc. and they're petty darn good.

No, I'm not comparing these to SnapOn, MAC, Matco, etc. so lets not go there.

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12-30-2013 12:27 AM  3 years agoPost 13
JayL

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I gave up on craftman a long time ago they do not hold up to the everyday use. They are for the weekend worrier which is who craftsman markets to. Their warranty sucks big time a buddy of mine went into sears wearing his uniform and they would not repair his item he was told it was not mint for industrial use. Thats why I spend my money on snap-on because I see him every friday and he doesnt give me any trouble with warranty. Not that they break often but when they do I dont worry about getting it repaired. Mac is good too but we do not have a good dealer around here.

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12-30-2013 03:46 AM  3 years agoPost 14
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JayL,
I am not going to defend Craftsmen as I own some but think they are only middle of the road tools, but Snap On is IMO best you can get, but Craftsmen only cost about 2% of what Snap On does... lol Maybe....

Snap On is best tool out there but BOY do they COST like it too. Craftsmen is for everyday folks, snap on is for discerning professionals who earn their living with them and don't mind paying for only the best. That or for every day guys who think the best made is what they need...

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12-30-2013 04:06 AM  3 years agoPost 15
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If you wish to get a grasp for what has happened to the AMERICAN Hand tool Industry, along with the AMERICAN Portable Power tool Industry, and along with the American Cutting / Machine Tool Industry.

Examine the lowly pair of Vice Grips, that is kicked around on the floor, laying in the yard, missing the spring or piled in a bucket full of welding Nib's. Most have at least a half a dozen of them.

All Patent Right's Enforcement / Copy infringement's were violated:

Not Protected what so ever by the hundred's of thousands of dollars spent on the patent protection - and the United States Government

It occurred completely throughout the machine tool industry.
Crushing our Industry.

Look into your cabinet : Look just how many Knock OFF copies of the Lowly Pair of Vice Grip's you own COPIES and from Where ??

Just one of Hundred's of examples that where stolen.
To many quality and performance is not a issue -just price.

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12-30-2013 05:11 AM  3 years agoPost 16
Girard Ibanez

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Being a victim of the copy Vise Grip, a lesson learned, I will ONLY get a vise grip if it says Vise Grip on it.


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12-30-2013 05:29 AM  3 years agoPost 17
Kelly Fairbanks

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Un like most I buy based on quality and always try to buy made in usa tools as well as anything for that matter ! It does matter !! I don't care what any of you say about not being able to compete BS. You buy a quality tool once and that's it ! (as long as you don't loos it ) People seem to get enjoyment out of buying things over and over again because they buy crap! But if it will last two days its good enough mentality BS. As someone has said put you're piece of crap wrench on a bolt and round it of . Now that snap on tool didn't cost so much did it. I just don't understand this buying crap mentality people have !! Wake up folks !
People gotta quit supporting these crap tools that patents have been infringed on like grey eagle said about the vise grip . These tools are crap plain and simple .Our government is useless we have to vote with our dollars folks !
Girard , Sorry for the rant my opinion is simple buy quality stuff that you buy once and lasts a heck of a long time and employee Americans,it does matter ! And you will have a tool or whatever that will pay for itself over and over !!
These are my thoughts on the subject !!

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12-30-2013 05:31 AM  3 years agoPost 18
JayL

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Norman u are right Snap-on cost a but load and they are the best imo. I guess thats why i have snap-on credit line because their is no way I could afford to buy them up front. I always tell people that being an mechanic is not cheep but ive learned u cannot skimp on tools in my profession and buying a good tool is an investment that should last a life time.

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12-30-2013 06:33 AM  3 years agoPost 19
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If you wish to get a grasp for what has happened to the AMERICAN Hand tool Industry, along with the AMERICAN Portable Power tool Industry, and along with the American Cutting / Machine Tool Industry.

Examine the lowly pair of Vice Grips, that is kicked around on the floor, laying in the yard, missing the spring or piled in a bucket full of welding Nib's. Most have at least a half a dozen of them.
yeeaa, like GE and their dish washers and close washers and dryers, and light bulbs, junk, sh!t, crap is all they are,, they last just long enough to work beyond their warranty, then you have to replace them, all the while their C.E.O.s of the company gets an increase in pay,, and the government wont protect us from these companies, they just keep taking our money

Jim
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12-30-2013 07:36 AM  3 years agoPost 20
James Allen

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It's Snap On or Mac for me. Used them for many years while turning wrenches on cars, light trucks, and some heavy trucks. I can count on one hand the tools from those two companies that I've broken.

I used Craftsmen when I first got started as a car tech, and lost count of all their tools that broke. Their thin wall sockets, torx bits, inverted torx, even breaker bars to name a few. They were absolute garbage. I had no trust in them to get the job done. When doing a job, I'd prefer to have tools I don't have to worry about breaking every other time I use them.

I would bite the bullet, and get your son Snap On or Mac.
You yourself have used them, and know they are made to last. They are pricey, but worth it. It also depends on where he will be using these tools. Home, School, Automotive service center, Machine maintenance, etc. Will there be a tool truck visiting his place of work?

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