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12-18-2013 06:46 PM  3 years agoPost 1
icanfly

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Got a little moment on my hands, between prepping snowboards 4sale and reworking the head on my Shuttle zx to rebuild the fb rig to fbl conversion. Broke a ball on the swash specifically for the follower, no mind they both have to be shortened to line up with the main shaft after flipping the cranks on the followers.

Last night has got to be one of the very first sim sessions where I forced myself to view the heli directionally by only rotor and tail fan, not physically with the nose as always a forward aimed entity, like flying a completely different heli with different stick controls.

After reviewing some older heli hover, crash, and large field successful flight vids of mine the past few days, I have been quite able at multi directional rsu orientations none inverted just yet. Something was not completely right in my mind though, I didn't know what it was about my thinking with the heli flying backwards for very long. Couldn't do it safely.

There was a common denominator to the right stick that rotates with the heli's leading point in the rotor/swash actions. It was hard to avoid over reacting in backwards and cc piros, over compensating and heli comes down abruptly. Since the right stick is really rotating on a horizontal axis to lead the heli, what I found greatly improved my backward flight pov was to,

IMAGINE THE TAIL IS THE NOSE.

Last night I began to force myself to imagine the path the heli was heading was always nose tip. The stick on the tx rotated accordingly to lead it. This alone helped me fly aggressively backwards with total confidence, total. I'm connecting and switching from one orientation to the next quickly and often now in the sim, holee sumokums Dano, what a difference.

I think once a person breaks the habit of seeing the physical shape and direction of the heli and begins to fly it on a swash forward basis they might experience 3d that much quicker. It is another way to view flying the disc and not the machine below.

There are 4 helis on your tx sticks you have to synchronize in each orientation of nose in/out and inverted nose in/out. Switching from one to the next in an instant is pure amazing. Each time you switch just imagine the leading direction the heli travels as the nose of heli number 1,2,3,or 4 on the tx.

Personally, there's enough flying places nearby it would almost take a month to fly them all. I'm learning 3d because it's a fantastic brain exercise, and to master 3d is to be almost genius. Some 3d flight is beautiful to see and do (A brain injury many moons ago had a huge negative cerebral impact where, if you can imagine forgetting how to tie your shoes for example. the year brought me LIFE and an opportunity beyond the dreams of most. This has been a good time to get into rc helis, you'll understand better some later day).

Anyway,

FLY THE "SWASH" STICK AS THE NOSE, loose focus on the physical appearance of the heli itself and you'll progress so much faster.

cheers, good lux,

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12-21-2013 02:40 PM  3 years agoPost 2
icanfly

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I see a few people have viewed this.

After realizing my mind was the biggest inhibiting factor I challenged myself to fly the disc in the sim last night regardless of what direction the fuselage was going. If you consider that flying sideways would be easy guess again. What this means is that there are actually 8 helis you have to learn to fly to be able to 3d. The side ones double the forward backward, upside down ones. It didn't click that it was hard to fly sideways with the swash events rotated 90 degrees. Back and front r/tx stick controls are a 180 degree adjustment, so there you have it. A lot to remember in an instant.

YOU ARE FLYING 8 DIFFERENT HELIS in ONE WHEN FLYING 3D. Connect the dots.

This could have been titled "Secrets of 3d Revealed".

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12-21-2013 05:24 PM  3 years agoPost 3
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I wouldn’t say 8 different heli’s…more like 8 different orientation positions. Starting with right side up…the tail facing you (as if you are sitting in the heli), left side, right side, nose in, and then it’s the same only inverted.

There are many ways to think about this, like standing alongside of your heli in a hover…that’s looking at the side. To make things real easy, as you are learning the different orientation points, twist your body in the direction the heli is facing. As you get more flight time, the turning of your body will slowly stop. It won’t be long, you’ll be flying all over the place as if you’ve been doing this all/most of your life. Kind of like driving a car.

As for the "Secrets of 3d Revealed", there isn't any real secret, it's the advancement of basic manuevers. A back flip is nothing more than a stand still loop.

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12-21-2013 07:09 PM  3 years agoPost 4
icanfly

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thanks for chiming in.

Because the obvious physical perception of nose of machine as always leading forward being totally ingrained in our subconscious since birth, a valuable mental tool to overcome this is to view the heli as omni directional having no nose. It made orientations much easier to switch from one to anther by flying the stick as nose of heli 1 to 8 and breaking the obvious block of a nose pointing forward machine. Try walking in all 3d orientations rsu (lol, if your going to stand on your head = applause), they call it "Dancing".

What was stunning as an after effect of flying heli backward a lot was that I actually was able to ride my mtb no hands with my head turned almost 180 and my eyes looking BACKWARD, while the bike and I continued forward (for a short interval).

3d heli flying has it's unexplored influences, maybe we'll look at that later. Hey, as a more or less older male who would look like a fool doing kids things, at least the bigger helis draw respect and take real TALENT to fly, especially in 3d. You're really forced to be alert in the margin of miliseconds at times.

Some people just get it while a lot have struggled until they relent (to only fly scale), or stick at it and break through.

You don't have to feel left out, anyone can do light 3d with the right preparation. Sports coaches work on peoples mental blocks as much as the physical aspects.

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12-21-2013 08:49 PM  3 years agoPost 5
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I'll tell one thing that finally helped me advance into inverted...when I realized that the TX "is" the heli...like when I was learning inverted...the first thing I learned was inverted hover nose in...by actually holding the remote at chin level almost upside down in front of my face and off to the side where I could still see the heli..that way I could get past the mental block i had at the time...as far as I could "feel", the heli was flying just as if it was upright tail in...just that the collecive was "backwards"...

strange but it worked for me...now when I fly, if I try to focus on what i'm doing with the TX sticks I screw up...I fly best when i'm not focused on the sticks anymore...just looking at the heli, and not just the rotor or tail...but the whole heli. I guess it can be described as the whole riding a bike kinda thing...it sort of becomes automatic.

funnier still was the way i learned regular skids out upright funnels years ago on a Belt CP...I had the heli flying around me about 10 feet away, with me following it around and around...almost as if it was flying via control line...I looked really stupid doing it I'm sure...but it helped me understand the relationship of how a heli flys sideways and banked...which also made it really easy to fly backwards...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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