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12-17-2013 06:50 PM  3 years agoPost 1
BENTDABOOM

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ya know I really value my beloved rap 30 V2 and hate when it meets with the ground! Its not the rebuild that bothers me rather the cost, which isn't a lot, then again I like to complain about money

I keep thinking and looking at the 450 size models and parts replacements which is looking better and better all the time, especially to learn stunts on.Sure I can do some stuff on the sim but we all know its not the same! I can get 3 HK 450 cheapos for $100 and thinking that would be the way to go for learning some stuff, sure their not as stable as the bigger birds but one hellovalot cheaper!Has anyone went this route?

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12-17-2013 07:05 PM  3 years agoPost 2
BradNewman

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First of all, my opinion is that the 450's are a lot harder to learn tricks on. They are great for learning the basics up to and including inverted flight, but after that 3d stuff is difficult.
Second if you go cheap(HK stuff) you will end up spending just as much on upgrades as you would if you just went ahead and bought a high quality 450. And in order to get good response and a locked in feeling your gonna have to get good electronics.

My 2 cents

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12-17-2013 07:36 PM  3 years agoPost 3
kcordell

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Nothings cheaper anymore. Let's say "less expensive".
I would got with a 5 or 6S type 500-600 size electric.

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12-17-2013 08:08 PM  3 years agoPost 4
BENTDABOOM

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hey their cheap if ya live 15 miles away from the warehouse,but I forgot, most you guyz spend thousands on your stuff, so this might be a moog post

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12-17-2013 08:40 PM  3 years agoPost 5
colsy

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so this might be a moog post
Definately not.

I have 4 identical Trex 450's, so no matter how bad a session i have, i would struggle to be without flying one!
Having said that, i have bent 3 in a session b4

Ive found when you have redundancy it changes youre mindset. there is nothing im afraid to try with them. (it's the knowing you will be without a machine that's the problem, albeit subconsciously.

I know it's true, as ive just started getting brave with my tREX 700e, and that's only since ive added another identical 700e for backup .

I can also tell you this, when you have conquer a move on a 'CORRECTLY' setup 450, it's much easier and satisfying to do it on something bigger.

Best heli i have is the Trex 500pro fbl, with std fb blades on it, it's very aggressive and great fun.

If i did it all again, i would probably buy a pair of trex 500 clones.

Youre Question is a valid one, without doubt.

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12-17-2013 08:49 PM  3 years agoPost 6
BradNewman

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Bent, I feel your pain buddy! That's why all of my helis are pre owned, with the exception of a couple micros. But I've seen a video of you flying, and I've had some HK brand helis....you will not be happy. If you really want to go the 450 route, then just wait for a good deal on a higher quality bird in the classifieds.

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12-17-2013 10:01 PM  3 years agoPost 7
jespicer1

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If you want a 450 it can be done on a budget. Well kinda. Lol.

Tarot 450 pro $100
Robird g31 and kst servo combo $140
One more kst for the tail $30
Yep esc $25
Turnigy sk3 1700kv $20
6s packs around $35

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12-17-2013 10:37 PM  3 years agoPost 8
BENTDABOOM

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quote...But I've seen a video of you flying

that's funny Ive never made a video, planks or helis but if ya have Id like to see it. and yes maybe 3 fer $100 is a too low budget thing, the best part is I live close to HK so can probibly go with coupe decent 450s.if ya look in my gallery have had a couple smaller birds but never got around to flying'em, the 450 parts Im seeing are dirt cheap so guess I have no more excuses

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12-17-2013 10:45 PM  3 years agoPost 9
BradNewman

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Bent, my bad, I had u confused with someone else! Get the HK, it will work out great for ya!

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12-17-2013 11:49 PM  3 years agoPost 10
Zaneman007

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I had an HK 450. All I can say is that the quality control is not there. Mine exploded in the air. But that was some time back, maybe they've put a QA department in place.

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12-18-2013 12:50 AM  3 years agoPost 11
Retired2011

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Get the HK, it will work out great for ya!
Good thing the parts house is just down the street

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12-18-2013 01:35 AM  3 years agoPost 12
BradNewman

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Good thing the parts house is just down the street
+1

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12-18-2013 02:37 AM  3 years agoPost 13
BradNewman

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Get the HK, it will work out great for ya!
Bent, I was somewhat being sarcastic with the above statement. But seriously, I should have asked where you were in your training. Because if you are still learning basic forward flight, and crashing a lot the HK is not a bad choice, especially considering the fact that you won't have to pay shipping for spare parts. My HK 450 helped me a lot in my training, until I started doing 3d, then it was time to move on.
So depending on where your at in your training will determine if the HK 450 is a good choice for you or not. But that being said there are a few different types of HK 450's I would not recommend the least expensive.

Good luck!

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12-18-2013 02:54 AM  3 years agoPost 14
pctomlin

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I went one step further and got a mcpx bl. Worked out great because I can go from sim to bl with next to no crash cost, then to the 450 and finally to the 550 or 700. The bl flown over grass is almost indestructible.

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12-18-2013 01:47 PM  3 years agoPost 15
RCHSF

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NC

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I like the Tarot 450 Sport Frames on e-bay. If you can find them. They are well made. Last one I bought was only $69.99 shipped. All that it needed replacing was the tail output gear, the little one that runs off the autorotation gear, to drive the belt.

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12-18-2013 04:31 PM  3 years agoPost 16
YSRRider

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30/50 is the best for learning supplemented with 15-30 minutes a day on a simulator.

small helicopters are cheaper to repair but you tend to crash them more often. They are more erratic flying and when they get away from you they are much harder to see making it 10x easier to get disoriented.

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12-18-2013 05:59 PM  3 years agoPost 17
Ronald Thomas

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I don't think it is size as much as it is cost. A GOOD inexpensive to crash Heli is the best. I like the 550 size personally.

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12-18-2013 10:23 PM  3 years agoPost 18
BobOD

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I went one step further and got a mcpx bl. Worked out great because I can go from sim to bl with next to no crash cost, then to the 450 and finally to the 550 or 700. The bl flown over grass is almost indestructible.
I agree with this approach except I prefer the 130x and then Trex500 size over the mcpx/450. A bit more cost but much better to fly for me. Still much cheaper than the next size up. Anyway, the concept is the same.
The micros aren't so great as it's harder to see and follow but this is made up by the fact that crashes are nearly costless. Not just in $ but time as well.

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