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11-08-2013 06:01 PM  4 years agoPost 1
Spindle

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The Obama administration began softening sanctions on Iran after the election of Iran’s new president in June, months before the current round of nuclear talks in Geneva or the historic phone call between the two leaders in September.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...an-d-tente.html

Obama will go down in history as the worst president ever, Jimmy Carter can relax now...

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11-08-2013 10:14 PM  4 years agoPost 2
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Iran will not be allowed nukes and you can keep your insurance.

Barack Obama

Translation:

Iran can have their nukes, but you can't keep your insurance.

90% of life is "showing up"

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11-08-2013 11:26 PM  4 years agoPost 3
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allah akbar morther forkers....!

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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11-09-2013 04:41 PM  4 years agoPost 4
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Despite claims by MSM and warmongering politicians having been made that Iran has been ''pursuing'' nuclear weapons ever since the mid-1980s, to date not one shred of substantiated evidence exists which shows that they are doing so.

Anyone in the US who believes otherwise is one of the 99%.

http://news.antiwar.com/2013/02/20/...gram-as-threat/

I think it's likely that a deal will be reached, where Iran will agree to limiting it's uranium enrichment capabilities, and to oversight of it's nuclear facilities beyond the current IAEA oversight, in return for the (official) lifting of sanctions.

Dusty

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11-09-2013 05:02 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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careful Dusty, your burka is showing....

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11-09-2013 05:17 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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11-09-2013 05:22 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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I think it's likely that a deal will be reached, where Iran will agree to limiting it's uranium enrichment capabilities, and to oversight of it's nuclear facilities beyond the current IAEA oversight, in return for the (official) lifting of sanctions.
Lift sanctions on a known terrorist country?

You might think that is wise.

There are many who would think your "wisdom" to be a bit dangerous.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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11-09-2013 05:25 PM  4 years agoPost 8
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Lift sanctions on a known terrorist country?
Why is Iran a ''known terrorist country''?

Are you going by who your government tells you is a ''terrorist''?

No doubt the US and UK have supported more jihadis in the middle east than Iran has.

Dusty

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11-09-2013 05:37 PM  4 years agoPost 9
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No doubt the US and UK have supported more jihadis in the middle east than Iran has.
You are entitled to your opinions.

I think your opinions suck and are grounded in a utopian lefty ideological view that no one is your enemy except your friends.

Iran: Thousands chant 'death to America' in Tehran protest against US talks


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ks-8921401.html

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11-09-2013 05:40 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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11-09-2013 05:56 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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You are entitled to your opinions.
I am referring to the facts.
Iran: Thousands chant 'death to America' in Tehran protest against US talks
Oh, so that makes them a ''known terrorist country,'' in your opinion?
I think your opinions suck and are grounded in a utopian lefty ideological view that no one is your enemy except your friends.
That's because of your lack of understanding of political views. While you support having a big powerful government that tells other people what they can and cannot do, such as in matters concerning Iran for example, I would ideally limit government's ability to do anything except protect negative rights in these matters. That is a libertarian ideological view, far to the right of your liking for big powerful and intrusive government.

Dusty

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11-09-2013 06:06 PM  4 years agoPost 12
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I am referring to the facts.
Your facts are not facts.

They are opinions. Same as mine.

Oh, so that makes them a ''known terrorist country,'' in your opinion?
Does your country shout "Death To America?"
That's because of your lack of understanding of political views
Who made YOU the king of political views?
While you support having a big powerful government that tells other people what they can and cannot do
Who said I support that?

You did.
Most of us understand that to be a libertarian ideological view, far to the right of your liking for big powerful and intrusive government.
Who said I like big government?

You did.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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11-09-2013 07:13 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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Your facts are not facts.
They are opinions. Same as mine.
That our governments have sponsored jihadis in various countries in the middle east is a fact, not an opinion.
Does your country shout "Death To America?"
America did not overthrow our democratically elected Prime Minister in a coup and install a brutal dictator.
Who said I support that?
You did.

Who said I like big government?
You did
No, you did. You think that your government should be able to tell companies and individuals who they can and cannot trade with, which is what sanctions are.
Lift sanctions on a known terrorist country?
My ideology is that governments should only be able to restrict trading with entities that are engaged in an illegal activity, under laws designed to protect negative rights, such as the current international laws. As Iran has the right to enrich uranium under IAEA protocols, no government has any business in telling anyone that they cannot trade with Iran.

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11-09-2013 07:40 PM  4 years agoPost 14
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That our governments have sponsored jihadis in various countries in the middle east is a fact, not an opinion.
Since we know they are going to be there anyway, which of the bad ones are the best ones to support?

No, you did. You think that your government should be able to tell companies and individuals who they can and cannot trade with, which is what sanctions are.
That has little to do with big government. Those are diplomatic moves to slow down an enemy building weapons supplies and supporting terrorism. In case you forgot, we are at war.
My ideology is that governments should only be able to restrict trading with entities that are engaged in an illegal activity
With the restriction of freedoms the government of Iran has brought down on its citizens, yet they still are allowed to hit the streets by the hundreds or even thousands, burning our flag and shouting "Death To America" "Death To Israel"

Is that what you consider a friend and you call "legal activity" from a repressive dictatorial government?

Forgive dusty folks. He's a bit slow...........

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11-11-2013 10:48 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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Since we know they are going to be there anyway, which of the bad ones are the best ones to support?
None of them.
That has little to do with big government. Those are diplomatic moves to slow down an enemy building weapons supplies and supporting terrorism. In case you forgot, we are at war.
All of the wars we are currently fighting involve us having invaded foreign countries. Iran is not at war with any country, nor has it threatened any country with military action. Even though the US and Israel have threatened to attack Iran, as they have not done so, ''we'' are not at war with Iran.
With the restriction of freedoms the government of Iran has brought down on its citizens, yet they still are allowed to hit the streets by the hundreds or even thousands, burning our flag and shouting "Death To America" "Death To Israel"
So what? They were shouting ''death to the dictator'' in the run up to their recent Presidential election.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...e-dictator-ir#1
Is that what you consider a friend and you call "legal activity" from a repressive dictatorial government?
Well it is evidently not illegal in Iran to shout ''death to'' any particular entity, even if it is their own dictator. Nor would that be illegal under laws that protect negative rights, because freedom of speech is a negative right. I support freedom of speech, whether or not I agree with what is being said.

If you as a private individual choose not to trade with any entity for whatever reason you decide, that is your right.

However, you think that your government should be big and powerful enough to prevent other private individuals and corporations from trading with entities that have not broken any law protecting negative rights, for whatever reason your government decides. That is where I disagree.

Dusty

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11-11-2013 11:06 AM  4 years agoPost 16
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While my ideology is based on the protection of free trade and negative rights, yours is based on ''my government says....'' If your government tells you to believe that individuals or groups that Iran supports are ''terrorists,'' then that is what you believe.

For example, your government says that Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation, so you believe that Iran is a ''supporter of terrorism.'' So let's take a look at the facts.

When Lebanon was invaded in 1982, and the Lebanese army was unable to repel the foreign military occupation, some Lebanese citizens formed a well regulated militia to defend their country, and called it Hezbollah. To this day, Hezbollah are regarded by the Lebanese government with it's Christian President, as an essential part of Lebanese defence forces. To defend Lebanon from foreign invasions is the reason they came into existence in the first place, and to deter any future foreign invasions remains their primary function today.

While the jihadis in Syria that our governments support, are attempting to overthrow a secular government that increased it's share of seats in the 2011 parliamentary elections, and with Presidential elections due to take place next year. As the CIA estimates that Assad would win 75% of the vote in any free and fair Presidential election that he is allowed to contest, these head-chopping organ-eating Sharia law supporting jihadis would clearly seem to be working against the will of the majority of the Syrian people.

Yet while you call Iran a ''supporter of terrorism,'' you do not refer to your own country as the same.

Personally while I do not wish to contribute towards either Hezbollah or jihadis in Syria, I do not object to others supporting Hezbollah in their defence of Lebanon from foreign invasions, if they wish to do so.

But I do object to our governments, and by extension me as a British taxpayer, supporting jihadis in Syria.

Which people or organisations in the middle east would you want your government to send other peoples money to support?

Dusty

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11-11-2013 02:28 PM  4 years agoPost 17
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The Glow is gone - Lift up the Veil

Iran ? When have they ever written Music ? or Sung a Song ?

Accomplished any thing compared among the modern western technologies of other Nation's --" ANY " that they have done on their own ?? with out modern education being imported ? How long have they had

Now they are trying to get a bag of dirt to explode according to written instruction's provided by some one else - under purchase ??

The sanction's are a direct example - WHy is it having a effect - Not on their Own ?? - Who provided the education ??

It's a wait and see issue - better take care of the Munition's they delivered 1st and the Gas & Bugg's that Pooty owns.

Every day is a " Is it ready yet ? " day

Running on the clock which is way behind on safety of other Nation's.
The behavior is alone in the Wilderness - Isolation and expectation Can you say TRUST ??

See what they can accomplish with a bag of dirt - they should purchase FOOD with their resources for their population or learn to grow it.

Most likely they didn't follow the written instruction's but are learning by trial and error and will poisen the underground water supply for their nation. Then What ?

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11-11-2013 04:42 PM  4 years agoPost 18
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^^^More medication required

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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11-11-2013 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 19
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Medication : You BEt

To date they cannot boil water, to make steam, to spin a turbine, to turn a dynamo- to make electricity.

Then to build a reliable grid for distribution of electricity :
Not by themselves.

They wish to manufacture the ONLY MAN made element not of the natural world like Plutonium >?? To get a dose of medication ??

If they let the Geni out of the Bottle : It's only the Geni that can put it back.

Maybe the mothers of Muslim's will get tired of raising Son's to say good bye - leave forever and never come home again, - to meet other son's.

For what purpose ? Does it serve ? Look at Syria

They wish to continue ?? What value ? Their is no song in the Life

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11-11-2013 05:35 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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They wish to manufacture the ONLY MAN made element not of the natural world like Plutonium >?? To get a dose of medication ??
Partly, yes.

The uranium they enrich to 20% is used to make fuel rods for the Tehran Research Reactor and, it makes medical isotopes.

Perhaps if you ask them nicely, they would send you some.

Dusty

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