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HelicopterMain Discussion › 2014 AMA Safety Code addresses spotlight flying
11-08-2013 04:41 PM  4 years agoPost 21
helitrue

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When has AMA had any 100% involvement in rc helicopter? How do we expect AMA have a rule that satisfy rc helicopter community? Easy to just say no!
Btw if the lights on your heli fail what do you do?

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11-08-2013 04:45 PM  4 years agoPost 22
JKos

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When has AMA request or have any 100% involvement in rc helicopter?
IRCHA is the AMA Special Interest Group for helicopters.

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11-08-2013 11:07 PM  4 years agoPost 23
rstacy

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When has AMA had any 100% involvement in rc helicopter?
I'm not completely understanding your statement. AMA is involved in just about all types of aero modeling.
How do we expect AMA have a rule that satisfy rc helicopter community?
We don't. There is simply no way to satisfy everybody.
Easy to just say no!
I am certain that it didn't happen that way. Dave Matthewson did his very best to not bury us in unnecessary rules. His philosophy was to try and find a way to make things work and not dictate our every step. Bob Brown has clearly continued to lead the AMA with the same type of philosophy.
Btw if the lights on your heli fail what do you do?
Things fail. People fail. Spotlights fail. I would have to think that the chances of your blades going out and your night gear going out at the same time are much slimmer than the chances of flying outside of the spotlights.
I was at a night fly last year and witnessed the battery for the lights getting ejected from the helicopter. The only thing left lit was the blades. The pilot landed the helicopter without incident.

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11-09-2013 12:02 AM  4 years agoPost 24
doorman

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Very Well Put...
I agree with Ray, 100%
Sometime I read things that make me just sit back and wonder what that person is thinking...
There have always been people that put down the AMA, and don't feel that the AMA does anything for the heli fliers..
Wish some of them would visit the AMA HQ and the IRCHA events...maybe they would see that it is a "bit" more then a monthly airplane magazine...

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11-09-2013 01:30 AM  4 years agoPost 25
Ace Dude

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Well said Ray. I've never heard of anyone's on-board lighting system going out. Not saying it hasn't happened, just saying I've never seen or heard of happening. On the other hand I've heard and have seen videos of several folks loosing visual contact while spotlight night flying.

  

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11-11-2013 10:45 PM  4 years agoPost 26
Dood

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having to place even the minimum of lights to light up your heli and do spot light flying really takes the excitement out of it!
Do you mean to imply that for an act to exciting, the act itself should be unsafe?

Maybe the AMA should relax this rule, you know, because it would be EXCITING!

"(h) Not operate model aircraft while under the influence of alcohol or while using any drug that could adversely affect the pilot’s ability to safely control the model."

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11-11-2013 11:05 PM  4 years agoPost 27
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Of course risk increases excitement...Within reason.

Doing anything dangerous under the influence is not within reason though.

We can't baby proof the whole damn planet...Some things need to be left to the grown ups to enjoy in their own grown up way.

That said,the AMA rule on this issue doesn't bother me...it's not a law.
So they're insurance won't cover you if you do it...it might not cover you if you do fly by the rules.lol...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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11-12-2013 07:46 PM  4 years agoPost 28
Ronald Thomas

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I think Ray said it best. I personally don't like the spotlight flying but I know some do. I choose to be covered when it is going on just in case somebody loses it while flying....

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11-13-2013 06:47 AM  4 years agoPost 29
BobOD

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I think it's a bit of a shame, I enjoyed spotlight flying. There's a combination of the challenge as well as the faith and trust in the team. I also feel it can be no less safe than many other things that go on. Yes, it is quite possible to outfly the spotlight. That is no different than outflying the pilots ability...which happens every day in broad daylight. Absolutely no different.
Having said that, I can understand their decision. Keeping within capabilities takes not only skill but also self-discipline. I guess no-one wants to take the responsibility on.
What a shame.

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11-13-2013 06:52 AM  4 years agoPost 30
TMoore

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Spotlight flying was a bad idea. I saw too many machines fail and go careening off into the black and that's just not acceptable. AMA is right on with this.

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11-13-2013 08:25 AM  4 years agoPost 31
OnTheSnap

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What about spotlight flying with a night rig but the lights are off. If you loose site of it, you can just switch them on. It could be a minimalist collection of LEDs just so you can see enough. Just enough as a safe guard.

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11-13-2013 09:12 PM  4 years agoPost 32
Jeff polisena

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Assuming liability , AMA is our insurance and voice to keep hobby active . If AMA allows any unsafe act and someone gets hurt AMA will assume liability as well as lose credibility with politicians that think the hobby has no reason to be around .Ive seen spot light flying and it was cool and everything went as planned but could have went bad

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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11-13-2013 09:53 PM  4 years agoPost 33
BobOD

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Flying inverted is more dangerous. Also, flying a 700 is more dangerous than a 500. Many maneuvers are less safe than others.
It's not that it is unsafe, it's how much so.
I don't disagree with AMA's conclusion. Too many pushing the limits too far I suppose. I just think it is a shame for those who are capable of maintaining acceptable safety. Regardless of if the AMA is the "law" or not, who in their right mind would risk it knowing that such a large voice has declared it unsafe...devoid of any specifications.

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11-13-2013 11:06 PM  4 years agoPost 34
whoamis

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I think it's a challenge to strike a balance. AMA's latest big win was to make it ok for hobbyists to self-police relative to a "community" safety code.

That's a balancing act.

One thing to note: after the tragic fatality in Brooklyn, nobody popped up reacting with a rule change or other language.

oops, bounced it!

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11-14-2013 12:19 AM  4 years agoPost 35
rstacy

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Yes, it is quite possible to outfly the spotlight. That is no different than outflying the pilots ability...which happens every day in broad daylight. Absolutely no different.
Bob, I'm not sure that I could possibly disagree with you any more on this than I do.

Its very different.

If I am a spectator and you lose control of your helicopter in the daylight, at least I can make an educated guess on an exit strategy.

If you lose control of your helicopter under the cover of darkness, and all I have is the misleading sound, I really don't know which way to run.
Remember Bob, this exact scenario has happened at least twice at IRCHA with at least one helicopter going down in the crowd.

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11-14-2013 12:29 AM  4 years agoPost 36
Ace Dude

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Well said Ray.

  

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11-14-2013 12:36 AM  4 years agoPost 37
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I second that

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11-14-2013 12:39 AM  4 years agoPost 38
marked23

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We had a incident at our fun fly... Some years ago. Pilot flew out of the lights..

It was the hardest hit I ever saw. Eliminated one of those cosco tables... Drove the legs right into the ground. Nobody was hurt, but five minutes earlier it would have been a different story.

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11-14-2013 02:03 AM  4 years agoPost 39
Ronald Thomas

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If you lose control of your helicopter under the cover of darkness, and all I have is the misleading sound, I really don't know which way to run.
Remember Bob, this exact scenario has happened at least twice at IRCHA with at least one helicopter going down in the crowd.
Exactly, I was there this year to NOT see one of those flights……pretty scary...

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11-14-2013 04:53 AM  4 years agoPost 40
BobOD

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Ray,
How can you disagree with me when you don't know what I consider a safe operation? I don't disagree that what you are describing is unsafe. In fact, I fully agree.

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