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10-09-2013 06:30 PM  4 years agoPost 1
es1co2bar3

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The only thing I see is that longer flight time, and less turbulence
from the wind, and cost you less repair.

The bars can make tight screw on roll and flip better than the FBL.

Do you guy's share the same theory??

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-09-2013 07:19 PM  4 years agoPost 2
psylence519

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The only thing I see is that longer flight time, and less turbulence from the wind, and cost you less repair.
Yup, it only flies longer, better and is usually cheaper to crash. Kind of a waste eh?

I can't speak to whether it makes tight screw better, I don't know what that means.

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10-09-2013 07:30 PM  4 years agoPost 3
Ladymagic

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I can't speak to whether it makes tight screw better, I don't know what that means.
I think he is referring to barless helis having a tighter roll rate...which is mostly true. But, I think it's more accurate to say that FBLs have a FASTER roll rate. Which I guess could equivalate to tighter rolls. But, tighter rolls can vary based your heli's electronic and mechanical setup...FBL or not.

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10-09-2013 07:58 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Santiago P

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The bars can make tight screw on better
I call those a screwdriver, but yes, they sure beat using a coin or a knife.

And bar less sucks, makes time go slow and boring, especially during happy hour.

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10-09-2013 08:20 PM  4 years agoPost 5
Funky Trex

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I really miss those days of buying countless paddles, various flybar lengths and multiple blades just to try and find that right combo to make each heli fly the way I want

Now we just program a flybarless controller to make almost any heli fly exactly how we want with no additional cost wasted on parts that don't work out.

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10-10-2013 01:44 PM  4 years agoPost 6
Richardmid1

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I will start by saying that FBL blades are more expensive and you are less likely to bend a blade grip or break a servo on a flybarred heli so the crash cost is probably more expensive on FBL. Repairing the heli however is far EASIER.

On the plus side you have:

Longer flight time (if you are sensible with the HS which most people aren't!).

Better stability in the wind (definitely!).

Stays on track much better (hurricanes, piro hurricanes, funnels, FFF etc).

Still very agile right down to super low HS.

Super slow HS with no oscilating/wobbling.

FBL blades have much more inertia coupled with no more drag from the paddles means autos are a dream.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-10-2013 02:53 PM  4 years agoPost 7
es1co2bar3

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Richardmid1
I don't agree with much of what you say, the computer make it difficult
to make maneuver easy as 123, 'that why FBL maker is trying to make there
unit more responsive to human rather than the computer, they still cant get it
to be a 100%,
take the VBAR for instant!!!.... its the only FBL unit I see as more human
control' and that is the 7200 BX],

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-10-2013 04:19 PM  4 years agoPost 8
devin120

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..
Its cheaper. less parts... Less cost.

Pros -

Less cost
lower parts count
MUCH more stable
longer flight times
MORE power!
unlimited tuning abilities

Cons
You need a fbl controller and learn to set it up right.

It's not really a debate. Fbl is the way to go.

V-Bar? Your praising it? Its trash. Buy a gy750 and never look back. Its not rocket science, futaba have the fbl market. And those who fly other units you can find them in the fbl section of this web site with questions and problems regarding why their v bar wont connect to their computer. Or their no name Chinese rip off demon or beast x kazoo units.

DC

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10-10-2013 04:25 PM  4 years agoPost 9
Richardmid1

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How can you not agree with me? How can you not agree with fact?!
I don't agree with much of what you say, the computer make it difficult
to make maneuver easy as 123, 'that why FBL maker is trying to make there
unit more responsive to human than the computer, they still cant get it
to be a 100%,
take the VBAR for instant!!!.... its only FBL unit I see as more human
control' and that is the 7200 BX],
I haven't the faintest clue what you are talking about. Learn how to communicate dude.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-10-2013 04:45 PM  4 years agoPost 10
es1co2bar3

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V-Bar? Your praising it? Its trash. Buy a gy750 and never look back
so far I haven't tried that yet' I was using the 7200BX on my 450 but
that was a nightmare until I use it on the 700 heli.
the thing about that unit it feel more like a [flybar]... I fly 10 time
better with the bars over the barless, maybe most pilot is not into
precision style flying.

The barless is all over the dam place. It make the heli perform like a
stunted wasp.
Less cost
lower parts count
MUCH more stable
longer flight times
MORE power!
unlimited tuning abilities
True but less human control tho.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-10-2013 05:10 PM  4 years agoPost 11
Funky Trex

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LOL, one of the most talented pilots I ever met flies the 7200 in most of his machines. He is an extremely precise flyer, one of the best when it comes to precision flying IMO. If you think the 7200 is not capable of precise flying, you are mistaken.

If flybars are working better for you, that is great. Flybarred heads and normal gyros are cheaper than ever. Gyros that used to cost 150-250 bucks are regularly in the classifieds for ~50 bucks.

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10-10-2013 05:21 PM  4 years agoPost 12
devin120

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haha
Ok I was a bit extreme, but yeh I have found success in the gy 750. Set iton flight mode 1 and its smoothe as silk.

Miniature Aircraft - OS power - Futaba electronics

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10-10-2013 09:14 PM  4 years agoPost 13
jason46

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Whether changing software parameters or lengths and weighs, there will always be a requirement for understanding and tuning to get a desired feel. Unless the out of the box profile or instructions is in agreement with your style / preferences.

Looking over the manual for the tags looks a bit daunting to me, but maybe a breeze for somebody who has setup a few. Seems to me all manufacturers will eventually only offer fbl kits?

We made up some rules can we have your moneys now.

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10-10-2013 10:37 PM  4 years agoPost 14
es1co2bar3

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FBL is a violent beast.
manufacturers will eventually only offer fbl kits?
Now that scary, seem that where we're heading and trust me FBL isn't
all that, if they would make them feel like the 7200BX with less computer input that would be fine,

Watch at YouTube

just love the bars I doubt if you can
find a flybar rod in hobby shop these days.

I

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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