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10-09-2013 08:07 PM  4 years agoPost 21
Funky Trex

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I sent a PM about optional tail gear ratios for lower headspeeds and non DFC heads. Thanks Dino for forwarding the PMs, hopefully Align is listening.

It would be great if 550/600/700 headblocks were made with jesus bolts and some additional clamping bolts (like the new 450 dfc head). Just an optional headblock for the dfc and non-dfc heads would be great. I know there are aftermarket options, but I am not impressed with them.

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10-10-2013 10:29 AM  4 years agoPost 22
Richardmid1

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Ok I didn't realise they had sped the tail up on the 700 DFC onwards. My 700E V2 however has a 24T counter tail gear which gives 4.33 ratio, are these a straight swap for the DFC gears?

Align just need to come out with higher tail ratios for the 450,500,550 and 600 now along with 1 pinion size drop and adjustable motor mounts where needed.

Could you confirm if there are any other miss prints on the tail gear ratios of the other models? The new 550 for example says 3.85?!

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10-10-2013 12:28 PM  4 years agoPost 23
Dino Spadaccini

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i will look into this its a lttle crazy on the other side Align is getting ready for there FF in 2 weeks and we also are releasing a 450L kit i will pass the info along

on the head statement we have a jesus bolt and 2 side bolts that tighten up to a clamping effect on all stated heli including the DFC

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10-15-2013 05:12 AM  4 years agoPost 24
ICUR1-2

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the only other factory heli I can think of that has diferrent tail gear options is MSH Protos 500 20T &18T
I used the 18 for low HS.

Align should market there heli's as
Sport 6+ mins flight time
or 3D 3+ flight times

spending time, paying attention

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10-15-2013 11:53 AM  4 years agoPost 25
Richardmid1

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the only other factory heli I can think of that has diferrent tail gear options is MSH Protos 500 20T &18T
I used the 18 for low HS.
Align should market there heli's as
Sport 6+ mins flight time
or 3D 3+ flight times
SAB Goblin 630-770 have 2 tail pully sizes to choose from and the Synergy E7SE has adjustable tail ratio from 4.5 - 4.9.

Align helis already give you 6+ minutes sport flying and 3+ mins 3D, thats not the issue. The issue is not being able to 3D for 5+ mins AND have enough tail authority. IF you have the HS high enough to have good tail authority you no longer get more than 4 - 4.5 mins of 3D

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10-15-2013 02:06 PM  4 years agoPost 26
ICUR1-2

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I use Aligns new 68mm tail blades and have a solid tail @2700 rpm HS and I only get 6 min flying sport.

Compared to my factory dfc500 which only gets 4 mins of sport flying and when I do go WOT. I get 3min not impressed with the dfc 500 flight times.

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10-15-2013 02:53 PM  4 years agoPost 27
Richardmid1

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Compared to my factory dfc500 which only gets 4 mins of sport flying and when I do go WOT. I get 3min not impressed with the dfc 500 flight times.
You should be getting more than 4 mins sport flying! What HS?

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10-15-2013 11:25 PM  4 years agoPost 28
ICUR1-2

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Unsure of the HS but set a flat TC of 72% for IU1 and 100% for IU2
and everything lands barely warm .
I like everything about the heli but the flight time sucks

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10-16-2013 07:18 AM  4 years agoPost 29
Richardmid1

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At 100% you will be at around 3150 rpm!

If you run your 450 at 2700 you would want about 2300 on your 500, 72% at a guess would get you around 2500. You surely get more than 4 mins if you did the whole flight in iu1?

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10-16-2013 06:36 PM  4 years agoPost 30
ICUR1-2

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I could push 5 min in IU1 but that really drops the battery into the 15-20% range I like to land with 25% - 20% or 3.8v resting

I haven't worked out any numbers yet to improve the flight time
and with the new helical gears my options are limited to motor KV and cell count.
I may convert back to the old style gears if I need too.

Compared to my Protos 500 and the DFC 500 both get the same flight time.

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10-17-2013 03:57 PM  4 years agoPost 31
Richardmid1

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My trex 700e v2 with 700n dfc tail gears @ 1730 rpm. Much better tail now at low rpm.

Watch at YouTube

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10-18-2013 12:05 AM  4 years agoPost 32
Stephen Born

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Richard,

I would also like to see an adjustable motor mounts incorporated in Align kits.

Many pilots immediately replace the motors and pinions to suite their needs.

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10-18-2013 04:10 AM  4 years agoPost 33
turboomni

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Richard ,,I enjoyed your video very much. Very nice smooth flying!!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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10-18-2013 01:32 PM  4 years agoPost 34
Tyler

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Exit stage right...

Enter stage right...

Exit stage left....

Enter stage left...

Funny!

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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10-18-2013 01:39 PM  4 years agoPost 35
Richardmid1

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Here's another flight at 1780 rpm. This ones a bit worse for going off screen Tyler buts its very hard to test tail holding AND keep it in a low tight box, ideally I should have flown further out with the camera pointing slightly more upwards but I only had a few minutes before work!

Watch at YouTube

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10-18-2013 03:17 PM  4 years agoPost 36
Kinger

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Nice job trying to keep that heli in a box when you know the camera isn't going to be able to move with you. Good quality vid as well.

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10-18-2013 03:22 PM  4 years agoPost 37
steve9534

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Richard
I would have to agree. Not only is the t/r gear ratio wrong for me and the tail doesn't hold well unless one runs an absolutely screaming high head speed, but the rotor discs are relatively small and the helis feel "heavy" and unstable. There is a lot of punch, and the helis are quick, but the whole train is heading the wrong direction for me and my style of flying. I fly pretty much as you are in the videos and a lower head speed, larger rotor disc, faster t/r speed/gearing makes the heli feel lighter and more stable with better tail holding power and vastly better autorotation capabilities. I can still get plenty of cyclic and collective authority to suit me at 1800 RPM, and see no need to do 2300 RPM head speed on a 700 size heli. The higher head speed means more wear and tear on the helicopter, more danger to whatever or whoever you might crash it into, less flight time, poorer autorotations, less stability, and just a different jittery/unstable feel that might suit Bert or Nick or Jamie, but doesn't fit me well. It's not just Align, but seems most of the manufacturers are heading down the same trail. I wish it were different or at least that one was given more options. Thanks for bringing this up. steve.

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10-18-2013 03:43 PM  4 years agoPost 38
Richardmid1

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Thanks Steve.

Align improved the tail gear ratio on the 700e DFC to 4.73, with mine being the older v2 (which im sure alot of people are still flying) the ratio is 4.33 which is just no good for anything under 1800 rpm. I went for the nitro DFC gears (4.95) because I don't plan on running higher than 1950 rpm anymore. 1800 is definitely the sweet spot for me for power, speed, response AND flight time.

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10-18-2013 04:14 PM  4 years agoPost 39
knightofcarnage

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I will agree with using 4.95 gear ratio for rpm lower then 2050. The tail is very very stable with this gear ratio. Going passed 2050 tail holds but man it make a screaming noise.

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