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08-03-2013 03:55 PM  4 years agoPost 1
GyroFreak

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Is the international space station a waste of money ?
What purpose does it currently perform, here are a few that are published by the MSM.
1) Kirobo a little robot who talks, moves and is going to outer space. His mission? Help create a society where humans and robots co-exist.
(This toy like thing looks like what you can buy at Toyz-r-uz)
2) How to wash your hair in zero gravity.
3) How to control a earth bound robot from the ISS.
4) How to tweet from the ISS.
5) How to soak a rag in zero gravity.
6) How to rely on the Russians for transportation to and from the ISS.
(Cost is currently $70.6 million per seat. And that's just what the Russians currently charge for a trip).
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And the list of parlor tricks goes on.
My Opinion: I am all for robotic exploration, but lets put the ISS to bed, it has become nothing more than a fancy exotic trip for a few persons claiming they are doing great scientific work.
Each person sent and returned cost millions that would be better spent here on earth doing real exploration of science by robotics.
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Your comments please, for or against with some reasons.
Paul

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08-03-2013 05:22 PM  4 years agoPost 2
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Hi Paul,

what about all the other experiments they have performed ?

In microgravity, controls on the directionality and geometry of cell and tissue growth can be dramatically different to those on Earth. Various experiments have used the culture of cells, tissues and small organisms on orbit as a tool to increase our understanding of biological processes in microgravity.

The presence of the space station in low-Earth orbit provides a unique vantage point for collecting Earth and space science data. From an average altitude of about 400 km, details in such features as glaciers, agricultural fields, cities, and coral reefs taken from the ISS can be layered with other sources of data, such as orbiting satellites, to compile the most comprehensive information available.

my opinion is it really is a test bed for deep space exloration, no different than other feats of technology.

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08-03-2013 05:56 PM  4 years agoPost 3
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Thanks for your rely. I appreciate your thoughtful answers.
understanding of biological processes in microgravity.
True, but to what end will this be useful ? Also can not these experiments be done on unmanned launches ?
From an average altitude of about 400 km, details in such features as glaciers, agricultural fields, cities, and coral reefs taken from the ISS
Already available from none maned satellites. Look at the detail you can get using 'Google Earth'. I can almost count the shingles on my roof.
test bed for deep space exploration,
We already know that deep space exploration is a lethal environment plus all the overhead (life support) required for any manned missions. In this respect I believe robotic exploration is the only way to go. A failed robotic mission would not cost lives.

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08-03-2013 11:10 PM  4 years agoPost 4
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Already available from none maned satellites. Look at the detail you can get using 'Google Earth'. I can almost count the shingles on my roof.

True Paul,

But dont those and other satellites. often need servicing/repair,?The astronomers in the space station have studied human bone loss after an extended time in a low-gravity environment; they've also experimented with protection methods against various levels of radiation in space and tested ways to repair equipment, including soldering, while in space. The ISS isn't the first space station, but it's the longest-lasting and the most sophisticated.

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08-03-2013 11:18 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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some of the experiments done and the reasons why..

Air Purification
A novel air scrubber developed for a space flight plant growth chamber is now in widespread use on Earth for food preservation, doctors’ office, homes and office, killing 98% of airborne pathogens that pass through it.

Fluid Flow Models
Capillary flow experiments on ISS produced the first space-validated models describing fluid behavior, and may lead to models predicting fluid flows such as groundwater and high performance wicks used in electronics cooling.

Duchenne's Muscular Dystrophy
Large, high quality crystals of the HQL-79 protein were grown on ISS, allowing researchers to more accurately determine its 3-dimensional structure and develop a more potent form. This protein is part of a candidate treatment for inhibiting the effects of Duchenne's muscular dystrophy.

Durability of Materials
Studies of how different materials withstand the harsh space environment provide a better understanding of their durability, with important applications to future spacecraft design. The Naval Research Laboratory and Boeing have used the ISS materials test bed to shorten development time for satellite hardware components by as much as 50 percent.

Cancer Treatment Delivery
The microgravity environment on ISS led the way for better methods of micro-encapsulation on Earth, which is a process of forming micro-balloons containing various drug solutions, providing better drug delivery for several diseases including cancer and diabetes.

Vaccine Development
Studies of Salmonella bacteria on ISS have identified the controlling gene responsible for its increased virulence in microgravity, resulting in the discovery of a candidate vaccine. Salmonella is one of the most common forms of food poisoning and a major cause of childhood death worldwide.

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08-03-2013 11:22 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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Thanks Matt, certainly any medical research that can be done effectivly in microgravity is certainly welcome.

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08-04-2013 05:30 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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There is no satisfying answer here. For some, any space endeavor is a waste of time and money, since "we have problems here on earth." I remember a young woman being interviewed on the street after the first moon landing. Her reply, "That's our money up there!" Never mind the fact that we leaped ahead technologically and won the cold war as a direct result of that moon shot.

The truth is, the money the present administration threw away in the first few months they were in power would have gone a long way toward a Mars mission. The advances in materials science and medicine from such a mission would ripple through our society for decades.

In any event, as long as NASA gets less than 1% of the federal budget, don't look for anything spectacular to happen in space.

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08-04-2013 05:52 PM  4 years agoPost 8
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You're generally only a Republican or Tea Party-er if you think scientific research like that carried out on the ISS is a waste of money. Even a few measely million is too much for them for a space research budget - even tho 700 billion plus going to the Pentagon isn't _enough_.

I'm sure there may be more optimal ways of carrying out the same experiments, but there are more optimal ways of ensuring our national defense than spending 20% of the national wealth on it too. It's just a matter of who you give the keys to the treasury to...

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08-04-2013 06:46 PM  4 years agoPost 9
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You're generally only a Republican or Tea Party-er if you think scientific research like that carried out on the ISS is a waste of money.
There's a first time for everything, and it's the first time I've ever heard that opinion.

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08-04-2013 09:07 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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Then you haven't been paying much attention to the behavior of your congressional representatives lately

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08-04-2013 09:39 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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There's a first time for everything, and it's the first time I've ever heard that opinion.
Yeah, especially when you consider that it was Bush that promoted a manned trip to Mars and it was the Obummer that canceled that program and changed NASA forever by practically shutting it down.

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08-04-2013 10:00 PM  4 years agoPost 12
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it was Bush that promoted a manned trip to Mars and it was the Obummer that canceled that program
While I support Bush and despise Obumer, a manned trip to Mars is something I strongly disagree with. Robotics is doing a great job of exploring Mars, and at a fraction of the cost of a manned mission, and a whole lot safer.
I am all for space and planet exploration, just not manned for now. The lost robotic missions didn't cost a life, and were a whole lot cheaper. A manned mission to Mars would only provide bragging rights.
But if they insist, I would volunteer for a one way mission.

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08-04-2013 10:14 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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I'd go to Mars.

The politics there has got to be better than here.

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08-05-2013 12:00 AM  4 years agoPost 14
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08-05-2013 01:11 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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Money isnt real, its in our head. The felons in the fed will just print more and if someone like China doesnt like it we will stage an attack by them and the debt will be wiped out. Do you mean a waste of time and resources?

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08-05-2013 01:18 AM  4 years agoPost 16
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Money isnt real, its in our head. The felons in the fed will just print more and if someone like China doesnt like it we will stage an attack by them and the debt will be wiped out. Do you mean a waste of time and resources?
The next time you go to the grocery store or the gas station, try buying their products with something besides money.

Money is very real to us. We earn it and spend it.

Not so sure about the political elite or those that have billions. To them it's more of a tool to power than it is a necessity for daily living.

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08-05-2013 01:43 AM  4 years agoPost 17
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They have you convinced.

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08-05-2013 02:32 AM  4 years agoPost 18
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They have you convinced.
Ok. I'll bite.

Who is they?

And what have we been convinced of?

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08-05-2013 05:59 AM  4 years agoPost 19
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They are the creeps who are in charge regardless of which puppet they hold up as the quadrennial leader. It makes some sense, you cant take a good company and change ceo ever 4-8 years and expect it to work, but the guys in charge behind the scenes are truly creeps, greed beyond greed and no concern for the common man.
And you seem convinced that your tax dollars are wasted on the ISS. The taxes are just to make you busy working.

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08-05-2013 02:10 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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Any space-faring endeavor has my vote .. eventually we will need to work and live as a species in space .. we have a long way to go .. might as well start now.

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