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08-01-2013 12:09 PM  4 years agoPost 1
Dit

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Hi
I was given a 15 year old raptor 30 and it has all old equipment on it. So since I know nothing what servos should I get to upgrade and gyro? I have read that a beginner doesn't need super exspensive servos since all I'm going to be doing for awhile is learn to hover. Budget is a problem so I need just the basic as possible for now that can get me flying. Thanks

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08-01-2013 12:31 PM  4 years agoPost 2
JRjoe

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Might not need to up grade much if it all works. But off the top of my head.

Futaba 401 gyro w/servo
HiTec 5645MG servos on cyclic

Many options out there.


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08-01-2013 12:33 PM  4 years agoPost 3
wrongler

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I think for a beginner I would look for a used set. Just cost less!

Bill Whittaker

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08-01-2013 12:36 PM  4 years agoPost 4
chuck1073

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What gyro and servos are on it now? It might be as simple a just replacing the receiver. You didn't mention what radio you're using.

Trex 700N - Raptor 50 FBL - B450FBL - 130X - mCPxBL - AMA #998104

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08-01-2013 03:24 PM  4 years agoPost 5
Dit

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It has Futaba S148 on all but the tail and it has a Hitech. Don't have a radio yet looking at buying specktrum DX6i. Any suggestions on any of it is appreceiated. Thanks

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08-01-2013 03:29 PM  4 years agoPost 6
wrongler

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If you plan on staying in the hobby, I would also look for a used DX7 or DX8 or used JR or Futaba TX, whatever you prefer. You won't outgrow one of these very fast.

Bill Whittaker

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08-01-2013 03:33 PM  4 years agoPost 7
chuck1073

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The DX6i is a great entry-level radio that will serve you well. Pair that with a 6 channel receiver. AR6200 is inexpensive and easy to find.
I have one that I'll let go super cheap if you're interested.

You didn't mention what gyro you have. For the Rappy a Futaba GY401 is pretty common.

You'll probably find all of this stuff used in the classifieds here.

Trex 700N - Raptor 50 FBL - B450FBL - 130X - mCPxBL - AMA #998104

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08-01-2013 05:23 PM  4 years agoPost 8
Dit

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It has a telebee gyro.

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08-01-2013 05:31 PM  4 years agoPost 9
chuck1073

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Not familier with that one myself. I'm sure someone else is though.

Trex 700N - Raptor 50 FBL - B450FBL - 130X - mCPxBL - AMA #998104

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08-01-2013 05:58 PM  4 years agoPost 10
RogerRabbit62

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GY 401 is perfect for a rappi.
If you find a 520 ( sometimes they are very cheap) you have the advantage of identical piro rates l/r

For the servos, keep them until you fly advanced 3d. i have flown 3001 on a 700N and they are up to the task,
You might either replace the cables on them ( some batches had corrosion problems ) or at least open the underside and look at the soldering joints and put some shoe goe or hot glue there to protect the solder joints.
it is a known weak point.

On the tail i would exchange go a digital servo, get a inexpensive digital tail servo from the classified or a high speed analog ( but you might have to put chinese weights on the tailblade grips for them to hold ).

Fly and have fun !

the rappi was the first bird i had buddyboxed training for a rolling circle long, long ago.
Rappis where in the 2000s around what the mcpx bl are today.

The power on the rappi should be updated to 5 NiMH with a stepdown for the taikgyro and servo ( be sure to get a REGULATOR, not a cheap 2 diode voltage subtractor )

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08-01-2013 06:27 PM  4 years agoPost 11
Simmer

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the Telebee Gyro was a 401 knock off. It was just as capable as the 401 but at the time was about 60 bucks. About 1/2 price. As I recall if you have one that works, the only issue was the plastic case would crack (maybe not resistant to nitro) they were actually shipping new plastic cases to those effected. Yup that is an old one. (I still have 2 401s and one telebee myself)

It is a heading hold gyro and setup is just like the 401. Mechanical first in non heading hold at flight rpm. The switch to HH to fly. Like the 401 these early gyros need to temperature compensate to your flying environment to prevent drifting. By that you simply let it sit at the field for 5 minutes or so until the gyro match's the outside temp.

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08-01-2013 07:07 PM  4 years agoPost 12
BONO1

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Buy an inexpensive heli radio and new batteries. Those servos and gyro will work just fine. Other than that find someone close to help. That can save you a fortune.

Sam

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08-01-2013 10:31 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Dit

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Okay this is what everything is. The hitech is a HS52588 servo and the telebee is a GR701 piezo gyro. I got the futabas right they are S148. I was at work trying to remember. Thanks for the help

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08-01-2013 11:52 PM  4 years agoPost 14
heli-cuda

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Hi Dit, I'm also a beginner. I started a year ago with a well equipped 450 3gX CF FBL. ... You can spend as much as you want on hardware, etc. ... I was already an FAA licenced full size helicopter only pilot. That helped, but not as much as anyone might suspect. Hard headed and egotistical, I never flew anything RC, and never 'flew' on a sim, and never got any assistance from any experienced or other RC pilots/mechanics/builders. I could briefly hover in a gym head out / tail in on the first day. Then it all got better in few days. I only had one battery, though. ... So the hard learning curve began.

After four crashes outdoor due to spatial disorientation and wind jockeying, and subsequent rebuilds, a few hundred dollars down the road, I finally came off my wallet and sprang for a sim, the Great Planes RealFlight 6.5 with the Mega Helipack. THAT CURED MY DISORIENTATION PROBLEMS! ... Plus, after a sim crash, the cost of a rebuild was made on the initial purchase. I just hit the reset button now for free. ... And practicing on the sim really is fun.

If I had been smarter and less egotistical from the beginning, I'd have bought the sim first.

By the way, the physics of the RealFlight 6.5 really are accurate, in flights and in autorotations.

Hope that helps.

... And no, I'm not even thinking about 3D, yet, just pleasant outdoor flights.

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08-11-2013 07:36 AM  4 years agoPost 15
Einzelganger

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Campbell, Texas

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Hi Dit. Welcome to the hobby.

If that gyro is not a Heading Hold gyro, I strongly recommend a used GY401 you can purchase here on RunRyder classifieds for cheap.

If what you have works, just fly it. Also, find experienced help if at all possible. Get a simulator and use it.

This servo makes a good match with a GY401 and will not break the bank.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...26&I=LXTHR5&P=K

These are a nice step up from the S148's and are a good upgrade when you are ready. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...26&I=LXTHR7&P=K

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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08-11-2013 07:46 AM  4 years agoPost 16
Einzelganger

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I'd also like to add that this hobby is way too cool and rewarding to ever give up. It's often the only thing that keeps me going. Early success is pretty darned important to keep you excited and moving forward. No matter what, stay with it. It's worth it. A simulator is like good insurance that you will learn fast and save a lot of money and headaches.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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08-12-2013 02:47 AM  4 years agoPost 17
RCHSF

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NC

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What you got their will work fine for hovering and basic flight. I'd test everything good, and set it up right. It would do the job. They use to fly with a lot less. I'd put your money first towards a DX8 or JR TX/RX first. And a Simulator.

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08-13-2013 02:13 AM  4 years agoPost 18
grim.the.grim

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A lot of good advice from all. By the way, welcome to a great hobby.

I agree with the comments of spending your money on a good solid radio. I started with a dx6 and then jumped to a 9503 once I started wanting the extra bells and whistles. A DX7 is a great solid radio and has a lot of bells and whistles. You can find a good used one here on runryder for under $150 bucks.

100% you can not go wrong with a used 401 for the gyro. It is a rock solid gyro that is easy to setup and holds great on a Raptor 30 and Raptor 50.

Servos you can get a set of align 610s and the tail align servo for usually under $100 (new) Most guys take them out of their heli and never use them to upgrade to something better(in their mind) The Align servos are great.

Set a budget and stick to it. Also Hobby King is a great resource for cheaper yet good quality servos, receivers, and generic parts.

*** Real Pilots BEAT the air into submission! ***

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08-13-2013 01:35 PM  4 years agoPost 19
devin120

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Interesting

Your starting with the same heli I started with. This may be a tad on the expensive side but the radio will allow you to fly this raptor thirty to jets. Like me. And the 401 ive flown on 90's and perform well.

Id go for a new set of 3001 servos. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXVVU4&P=0

A gy-401 w 9254 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXFZP2&P=0

and an 8FG http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXAVCP&P=0

This is more of a setup if you KNOW you will be in this hobby for a long time.

My two cents.

Miniature Aircraft - OS power - Futaba electronics

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08-13-2013 02:10 PM  4 years agoPost 20
Pistol Pete

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Oldie and still a goodie must have link

http://www.RAPTORTECHNIQUE.Com/index-raptor.html

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