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HelicopterAerobatic FAI F3C F3N Contest › can the min air 60se be set up for practice fai
07-30-2013 01:01 AM  4 years agoPost 1
geomecc

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I was wondering what would I need to set up my min air 60 se for precision flying? im very interested in learning fai type flying? thanks

R I P Roman Jr. Team SKOOKUM SRW EFC

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07-30-2013 08:06 AM  4 years agoPost 2
RogerRabbit62

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Nearly every bird can be set up.
I did set up an old ECO 8 electric ( was a bit complicated ) but even this one performs now approx like my big F3C bird, at least for some training.

There is tons of threads here on setup.

From my point F3C is 90% training ( at least when you are beginner )
Sticktime and reliability are the main points.
Orientation is everything.
If you still have problems there you can get rid of them even with a micro indoors ( saves some fuel )
If you really want to compete you will need a B machine, in case something fails ( Crashes are very uncommon in this F3C )

You can use a standard 3d setup on your machine and hover the figures to get some feeling for orientation and position first.

A squirrly model will show your steering imprecisions by magnifying them. So for training in the beginning it iis not a bad idea at all.

Before investing a lot, just fly through the figures to get some feeling for them. Every one has some difficulties build into it you have to understand.
Good idea would be to read the FAI F3C judges guide.

If you want to fly more precise the steps are ( from my humble point of view )

- ADJUST CG ( on this one with half tank )
- setup flybar mix to around 75% and delta to zero.
- check hover behaviour on a gusty day and adjust some flybar weights ( and might be paddle length/weight/profile later )
- adjust rotor RPM ( Governor? ) very exact to find a "sweet spot" - that depends on a lot of factors and 50 RPM is a difference so take your time
- mix phasing out of the head until no intermix
- check FF behavior, probably add/remove/move fin size
- check loop behaviour, add/remove mixes
- same for roll behaviour right/left

But to put it into perspective

A good pilot will win a local F3C club competition with a imprecise 3d beater.
in competition you have to perform spot on, regardless of material and condition.

Sun disturbing? Wind in wrong direction? Rain? Nerves wrecked? Bad hangover? Little cold?

F3C is not only the model, it is mostly training and performing spot on.

To give You a feeling, just put a two comes somewhere and hover straight lines forward and backward between them at a constant speed

L

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07-31-2013 03:16 PM  4 years agoPost 3
geomecc

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wow. thanks

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07-31-2013 09:36 PM  4 years agoPost 4
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You could do the hovering maneuvers with the sixty but the flying would be tough with that much power, if you are talking FAI.

Chris

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07-31-2013 10:06 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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You have some handicaps with that, surely.

But also the aerobatics can be flown less "powerful". If he is startting, the "sports" class figures can be flown with it.
Look at older videos what Curtis did do on a 60 Machine.

I ve flown competitiion training on a Vario Kobold, a inexpensive .60 plastic Nitro trainer long time ago.
everyone told that bird cannot do it, it has a wire driven tail, no pressure bearing on main shaft, e.g.
it was difficult, sure, but you even could do the knifeedge piro ( freestyle competition figure ) with careful pitch management.

Such machines teach you to be precise in timing and pitch management and listen to the disc loading.

I still think that someone concentrating on training with a reliable machine investing the money into flighttime has advantages.
Best would be to use a top model and have the flighttime, but with the schedules changing towards FBL i would not invest at the moment.

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08-01-2013 01:50 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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I have a tempest fai head laying sround for a while and just aquired a min air se 60 and always been interested in fai. I just started trying the basic hovering maneuvers and love the challenge to even just keep the heli in one spot on purpose. I really appreciate the input guys

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08-04-2013 04:11 AM  4 years agoPost 7
fastrc1

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George get with me @ SRW. I'll show u the sportsman schedule and help u go over the set up.

Eaton

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08-04-2013 04:22 AM  4 years agoPost 8
geomecc

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thanks eaton. ill b at the field tomorrow ( Sunday) if u got time to come through

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08-04-2013 04:37 AM  4 years agoPost 9
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I'll be there from around 9 to 1.

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