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06-02-2013 02:43 PM  4 years agoPost 1
Girard Ibanez

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I just found out from at RC Club (TRCC), that the Club By Laws that govern the "One Time Initiation Fee" has now been changed.

The "Initiation Fees" will be reapplied in the event that you as an RC Club Member become delinquent in club yearly membership dues. So to re-establish your club membership, you have to pay the club dues plus the Initiation Fees.

I am sure that those members/officers that voted for this change have nothing better to do than be a life time RC Club Member. Who are probably over 60 years of age, retired and have found themselves having nothing better to do than make the RC Flying Field their retirement home.

For those who left the hobby for various reason, whether it be to prioritize their financial situations, family priorities or whatever reasons, will be astound to know that to reinstate their club membership, they would have to repay the initiation fees.

I wonder if any thing legally can be done or given the fact that it was voted in makes it legal.


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06-02-2013 05:17 PM  4 years agoPost 2
whiskey

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How much are dues? Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me. And no I'm not 60.

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06-02-2013 05:54 PM  4 years agoPost 3
GyroFreak

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Who are probably over 60 years of age, retired
There you go, blaming us old farts again.

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06-02-2013 06:32 PM  4 years agoPost 4
rcmiket

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I am sure that those members/officers that voted for this change have nothing better to do than be a life time RC Club Member. Who are probably over 60 years of age, retired and have found themselves having nothing better to do than make the RC Flying Field their retirement home.
This had to be voted on by the members. It is what it is. Funny how you blame the "old guys". Why not run for office and fix it?

Mike

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06-02-2013 07:42 PM  4 years agoPost 5
dkshema

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Quite a few clubs do this. Too many members only "re-up" when they decide it's time to fly. Club expenses are year-round. What's convenient for you isn't necessarily convenient for the club.

An incentive to renew your membership is just a way of reminding you politely do do so. The carrot is to renew on time, the stick is the having to pay initiation fees if you renew late.

If you "leave the hobby" for whatever reason, you've "left" the hobby. When you "come back", it's a new ball game. Family situations should not determine when you decide to renew your membership, and if you have to do some financial planning to pay your dues, well, plan accordingly and renew.

If the change required a membership vote, then it appears A) you weren't a current member, B) you failed to attend the meeting and vote, C) you attended the meeting and were outnumbered, D) you attended the meeting and voted with the majority.

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I re-up my club dues, and my AMA dues in advance of the end of the year, and it's just another one of those things on the list of stuff you do as a grown-up.

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06-02-2013 09:46 PM  4 years agoPost 6
nappyroots2182

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our club has always had a deadline to renew or be charged a reinitiation fees. seems like it helps the club.

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06-03-2013 02:11 AM  4 years agoPost 7
Mark C

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We had to do the same thing at our club. Often times we are at full capacity and have a waiting list of people wanting to get in.

Every year there were the feet-draggers that wouldn't renew on time and so we couldn't figure out our membership level and make new openings and figure out the budget for the year etc. etc. Some poor member volunteer would have to get them on the phone and try to figure out if they were in or out and get proverbial "the check is in the mail" routine.

Now there is a hard "yo a$$ has been dropped" deadline where if you don't pay by then you are out and someone waiting gets in. If you want back in you go through the full re-join process including the initiation fee and having to sit on the waiting list if it is in play.

We tried to be really lenient and easy-going but in the end people just kept taking advantage of it. Now we are arseholes just like the electric company, water works etc.

Mysteriously, the issue with the procrastinators has disappeared.

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06-03-2013 03:19 AM  4 years agoPost 8
SuperSixTwo

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Seems to me that this is one of the things that make clubs a pita.
Also seems to me that a club with rules and bylaws could make a member status of "inactive." Pay the dues and your flying again. Personally a club that makes a member buy back in better be a darn good one that treats the members right and have a heck of a field.
Even the AMA doesn't give it to you like that.

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06-03-2013 03:43 AM  4 years agoPost 9
Chuck Bole

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Personally I don't think a initiation fee or sign up fee is right to charge. But that's just my opinion. We had a vote at the new club we started and the rest of the guys didn't see it that way. So just pay it and go on.. Fun tax so to speak.

One that gets me is clubs with a member cap.. Same story though,
if that's what the majority votes on that's just the way it is..

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06-03-2013 05:52 AM  4 years agoPost 10
Girard Ibanez

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Who are probably over 60 years of age, retired
There you go, blaming us old farts again.
Hey, I'm not to far behind. Reaching my 33 year mark of employment. Sorry for the stereo typing but it is what it is and just putting it out.


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06-03-2013 05:54 AM  4 years agoPost 11
Girard Ibanez

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Whatever happen to the infamous "Grand Father Clause".


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06-03-2013 05:56 AM  4 years agoPost 12
Girard Ibanez

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I am sure that those members/officers that voted for this change have nothing better to do than be a life time RC Club Member. Who are probably over 60 years of age, retired and have found themselves having nothing better to do than make the RC Flying Field their retirement home.
This had to be voted on by the members. It is what it is. Funny how you blame the "old guys". Why not run for office and fix it?
Mike
Politics ... I only go out to the field to play with toy helicopters.


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06-03-2013 11:58 AM  4 years agoPost 13
povern

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The club has to do what the club believes is good for the club.

If that means putting something in place to get people to pay their dues, so be it.

Again, if you don't like it, run for office and change the rule. Simple as that.

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06-03-2013 01:26 PM  4 years agoPost 14
rcmiket

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Politics ... I only go out to the field to play with toy helicopters.
Oh, so let everyone else do the dirty work and you enjoy the benefits. This is so typical 5% do all the work and the other 95% bitch about it. Nothing changes till you decide to make a effort to change it.

I also only go out to the field to play with my toys but decided to make it a better place for everyone by getting the right people in place to insure we actually have a field to use. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
Whatever happen to the infamous "Grand Father Clause".
What ever happened to 17 cent a gallon gas. Times change. Finding and keeping flying fields require a effort of all not just a few club officers.

Mike

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06-03-2013 03:19 PM  4 years agoPost 15
rcmiket

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In accordance with the TRCC bylaws, ARTICLE IV,
SECTION 2, DUES: Dues are due and payable on
the third Thursday of February of each year, and
delinquent the day after the third Thursday of
March. A late fee of $5.00 per month will be
charged to delinquent members and flying
privileges will be suspended. Members who remain
delinquent will lose their membership status if dues
are not paid in full by the first of May. A list of
members who have been dropped from the
membership will be posted at the field. If for some
reason you are on this list and wish to remain in
TRCC you need to contact Al Mosher, TRCC
Treasurer, to make arrangements.
I pulled this from their website. You actually have till May to pay. That's more than enough time IMO.

Dues are only $70 bucks a year that's nothing. A set of blades or a few gallons of fuel. Not much to pay for a place to fly.

Mike

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06-04-2013 01:42 AM  4 years agoPost 16
Girard Ibanez

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I............ pulled this from their website. You actually have till May to pay. That's more than enough time IMO.

Dues are only $70 bucks a year that's nothing. A set of blades or a few gallons of fuel. Not much to pay for a place to fly.

Mike
The bylaws were recently changed. Its not about membership dues of $70, it is about the initial fee that is applied when you first joined the club.

It's dues plus another initiation fee to re-establish your membership.

Kindly read the entire OP thread before posting.


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06-04-2013 02:04 AM  4 years agoPost 17
rcmiket

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It's dues plus another initiation fee to re-establish your membership.
Here's why you don't have a argument here.

You have till May to pay your $70 bucks in dues.

After that you get dropped from membership and need to reapply with a $75.00 fee that's 4 months which is more than fair.

Kindly stop whining and pay your dues on time and be done with it.
Or run for office and change things. You can't have it both ways.

Mike

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06-04-2013 02:11 AM  4 years agoPost 18
Girard Ibanez

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It's dues plus another initiation fee to re-establish your membership.
Here's why you don't have a argument here.

You have till May to pay your $70 bucks in dues.

After that you get dropped from membership and need to reapply with a $75.00 fee that's 4 months which is more than fair.
Kindly stop whining and pay your dues on time and be done with it.
Or run for office and change things. You can't have it both ways.

Mike
Mike your reading too deep into this. No ones whining here but you!


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06-04-2013 02:15 AM  4 years agoPost 19
rcmiket

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Mike your reading too deep into this. No ones whining here but you!
So have you paid your dues yet?

I might also suggest that your the minority here seems like the majority sees nothing wrong with the clubs decision regarding this.

Maybe since I serve as a club officer I'm a bit bias here. Trust me it's no fun chasing down dues ditching members. There's not many but just enough to be a problem. Guess the "entitlement" crowd is everywhere now.

Mike

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06-04-2013 04:52 AM  4 years agoPost 20
Volcano

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Boycott the club, their policy sucks. The initiation should be for life, dues are only due if you actually fly that year, maybe a 15 dollar late fee if you dont sign up when youre supposed to but not re initiation.

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