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06-01-2013 07:41 PM  4 years agoPost 1
Chris007

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looking for comments and advice.
I have been leaning with my thumbs on the sticks and everyone tells me I should be pinching the sticks. Is there any difference plus everyone seems to use an neck strap but it seems to be very uncomfortable.
I have a DX8. What are the pros and the cons?
Thank you.

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06-01-2013 07:56 PM  4 years agoPost 2
RogerRabbit62

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I started thumbing

Went to a flight school and they told me i have to pinch.

Changed now to thumbing again.

I like the handheld units more and i always have fingers free to switch and move things on the TX without letting the cyclic and collective go.

I can have a finger on the bailout system all time and on throttle hold.

I love flying that way.

On the pro´s it is 50-50
Some make a mixture also : thumb on top, index finger before.

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06-01-2013 08:11 PM  4 years agoPost 3
wrongler

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It's more of a personal preference, You will find both everywhere. What ever you are comfortable with is what you should use.

I tried pinch and was not comfortable, So I just use thumbs!

Bill Whittaker

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06-01-2013 08:16 PM  4 years agoPost 4
tgalo

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Regarding the neck strap, I flew for many years and could never use it. Now coming back I have started to use a strap. Definitely your preference.
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06-01-2013 08:41 PM  4 years agoPost 5
DougPenhall

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Whatever you practice you'll become comfortable with. There are a lot of things we can learn where the easier way when you are beginning is not the best way. If you start off the easy way it will end up being the comfortable and more natural way for you and switching will be difficult. If you start off practicing the better way it might be a bit more difficult at first, but will become natural and easy and better in the long run. I'm not an expert, or even an advanced or intermediate pilot, so I don't know which is better. I started with thumbs, then when several videos said to use pinch, I switched. I tend to believe that we should learn from those who are better and more experienced than those who are average rather than reinventing the wheel. I would think that most people would naturally start with thumbs. Why would anyone have switched to pinch if there wasn't some advantage? What are the expert pilots that we admire doing? Are any of them on this site?

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06-01-2013 09:25 PM  4 years agoPost 6
Scanman

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For me, I find that a light pinching produces a better fine muscle control of my fingers. Thus, my stick movements are smoother than using my thumbs only. I use a transmitter tray because other than flipping switches, all that needs to move are the fingers on the sticks. The rest of the hand is at rest and not gripping. Just more relaxing for me......my personal preference

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06-02-2013 05:50 PM  4 years agoPost 7
Chris007

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Thanks guys for your input.
I hope I get more so I can practice that my.
If there are any instructors or pro out there who can comment on this

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06-03-2013 06:27 AM  4 years agoPost 8
RogerRabbit62

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I instructed Kids and buddyboxed them.
They have to fly pinching.
The TX´s are too big for their hands.

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06-03-2013 11:26 AM  4 years agoPost 9
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One of the reasons for "pinch", was YEARS ago(Yeah showing my age) when the pots for the sitcks were made from carbon, if you pressed down, like when your "Thumbing" you used to run the risk of breaking the pot.

Brian Porter AMA 232513 My money flies better then I do

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06-03-2013 11:58 PM  4 years agoPost 10
GREYEAGLE

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WHAT ????

They still are : The gimbals bearings prevent the load from being directly applied to the potentiometer .

Must be a urban legion the pincher started

I figure that's why they came up with tray's.

All I know, I can find the center or neutral of the axis - a lot easier with the just the thumb or draw a circle with the thumb a lot easier, - than I can with the two fingers fighting each other. More sensitivity to the spring pressure feed back or FEEL .

For myself - easier and smoother to get into the corner's of the mix of the too axis also. Especially the top right corner, or bottom left corner.

1st thing I stuck in my mouth as a lil- kid : habit

Only problem I've ever seen with Neubies ; Plank's or Helies - they push and let go or you can hear the stick " Click back like a switch " like On or Off, stick banger's-.

Once they get corrected with gently using smooth moves it seems all good.

Never seen too many young kid's play a video game using the pinch method.

greyeagle

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06-04-2013 01:29 AM  4 years agoPost 11
Zaneman007

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You'll see it both ways, doesn't matter.

I pinch with my left hand and thumb with my right. I have two very different sticks on my Txs. It's just how I learned.

Old Guys Rule!

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06-04-2013 02:09 AM  4 years agoPost 12
DougPenhall

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I pinch with my left hand and thumb with my right.
That's how the YouTube videos I watched said to do it. Not sure why, but it doesn't seem like it would be a potentiometer issue unless the potentiometers are different on each side.

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06-04-2013 11:27 AM  4 years agoPost 13
Bell 430

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Greyeagle, do you remember the old HEATH kit radios? They had carbon pots,there were also others, but I cannot remember the brand off hand, but it was a warning not to press down on the sticks,due to the possibilty of breaking the pots.

Brian Porter AMA 232513 My money flies better then I do

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06-05-2013 03:45 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Wedge77

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I use the thumb method, however, I think once you get the FEEL of pinch, you would have more control. when moving your thumbs up and down, it is darn near immposible to move the stick straight, moving your thumb makes a gentle arc, no matter how you try to move it and you have to allow for that when moving the sticks. I noticed it mmore when I started doing flips, pushing the stick forward, I would always have the heli a lil sideways, coming out of the flip crooked. I've been flying with my thumbs for so long Im not sure i could make that adjustment,.
I did look for a tray last year at IRCHA, was a guy there that had some nice carbon ones but I didnt see him last year. Im going to try a tray and pinch, cant hurt to try, but Ill definately need a tray. I have a problem with my fingers called dupetrines contracture. It makes the ring fingers bend, and cant straighten out, even though Ive had the surgeries and able to hold much better, i still cant hold the trans and use the pinch without a tray.

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06-05-2013 11:17 PM  4 years agoPost 15
OICU812

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"Search" will reveal this discussion in abundance of at least 100 existing threads. It's personal preference and what is right for "you". That is in the end the correct answer.

I was new once to so take it how you wish but seriously I feel most all "new to hobby" posts like this, tail wag, etc.... Have been discussed in great great great detail...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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06-06-2013 05:36 AM  4 years agoPost 16
RogerRabbit62

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If everything which has been discussed before would not been posted by newbies the forum would be real quiet i assume.

Everything in the world has been said before but not by everyone yet.

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06-06-2013 10:28 AM  4 years agoPost 17
RCHSF

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For me I started out, well first few attempts was thumbs but I was jittery. So I went to pinching so I could be steady on the controls, and it helped the nervousness. After I got better I switched to thumbing now that's all I do. Now I can reach the TH & FM much quicker.

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06-06-2013 01:33 PM  4 years agoPost 18
Chris007

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Thanks RogerRabbit for your comment
If I new it was a old question I would not ask
I quest you go to search first before you ask something here

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06-06-2013 06:53 PM  4 years agoPost 19
Ladymagic

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As previously stated, nowadays, it's pretty much a personal preference. And I think it has to do with the weight of your Tx, the size of your hands, and your flying style as well.

Thumb Method:

Pros:
1. You have an extra finger on both hands free to manauver around and manipulate switches and knobs.
2. You typically have better grib on the transmitter.
3. It's statisitally more comfortable for pilots with smaller hands or shorter fingers.
4. Feels more natural and you usually have a more fleixible circualar gimble range motion.
Cons:
1. Feels less accurate for fine motion control during precision manuavers.
2. Thumbs tend to slip off the top of the gimble during more intricate manueavers that either ruin the manuaver or cause a crash.
3. No backup if your thumbs are oily from fuel and you frequently have to readjust your thumb position in flight.
4. More difficult to produce a perfect circular motion during piros.

Pinch Method:

Pros:
1. Allows for a very high degree of accuracy and control during precise manuavering.
2. Offers a backup in case you need to readjust your finger postioning during flight.
Cons:
1. Very difficult to manauver around to manipulate switches and especially turning knobs during flight.
2. If you have a larger profile/heavier Tx, it is harder to maintain a positive grip on the Tx if you have oil on your hands from fuel.
3. Does require some getting used to and can put a strain on your wrists if you do not use a Tx tray or a neck strap.
4. Not recommended for pilots with short fingers, small hands, or if you have cronic medical issues such as arthitis or carpal tunnel.

Personally, I enjoy flying "Pinch", I feel like I have more precise input control which shows during my flights, but there are times I find it hard to reach my Flight mode switch or throttle hold switch and if my hands get oily, I feel like I'm going to drop my Tx even though I fly with a neck strap.

Mellisa

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06-06-2013 09:44 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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Ever wonder where exponential came from and why. I use thumb and fore finger on both fixed and rotary wing models. Most people use there thumbs because that is the way they were taught.

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