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05-28-2013 04:53 AM  4 years agoPost 1
PFDRick

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I'm not sure I get how people finance this hobby.

I've been flying since about '07 and as little as I care to say this out loud, I don't think a pilot error of mine has caused a crash in 4 years or more.

My current bird is a T rex 700 LE nitro fbl, Beast X, OS 91, with otherwise stock align stuff. On this bird's 5th or 6th tank of break in fuel the (seemingly known to be brittle) tail grip screw broke during an inverted hover at 50 feet. This was catastrophic.....a $600-800 crash on my first 90 and first new big bird?? DEVASTATING

I got the engine rebuilt and all the parts replaced and my new bird never really seemed new again.
A couple years have gone by and life got in the way the bird sat needing a clutch for about 10 months but was otherwise flying like poetry prior to storage.
The other day I finally put the clutch in it and had a friend help me go through the bird check this tighten that...re bind....re check and head to the field.
After 3 or 4 minutes of re orientation for me and some hovering checks I started to fly it a little more. I'm not talking about tic tocs or even hard climb outs...just playing around a little. After a minute or so of extra playing around, maybe a couple inverted climbs and slow piros...as I cross the field...I heard a noise, seem to lose cyclic control, and an otherwise perfect bird (I know....no such thing) nose dived with seemingly no "OUT".

While the concerned onlookers helped gather pieces and render guesses....all I can think of is how there is no way I can remain in a hobby that occasionally gobbles $400-$800 bucks...just because.

The most logical current guess (since the link is gone from both balls) is a ball link.
Yup, one of the "replaced just last year" about 1 or 2 gallons ago ball links that is neither old enough nor new enough to blame....yup, that one. One of the ones checked last night for tightness.

I don't have a clue how you guys do it.
I wanted/want to quit.
But how...I was fortunate enough to excel from a blade 400...barely "getting away with" flips mild tricks to quickly learning much more soon after getting a 600N. I got better that year alone than some people ever get and haven't been responsible for a crash since? But I'm still out $1200 bucks or more in crashes?? To clarify.....I mean to indicate that my thumbs nor flying ignorance were responsible.

I'm a solution kind of guy but the only solution here seems to be quitting since having new stuff didn't solve the problem and checking stuff over didn't seem much better.
I can't solve a problem I can't identify.
And without an inheritance I may have had my last inexplicable crash.
This is really just a vent.....no real question....possibly no logical answer.

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05-28-2013 05:51 AM  4 years agoPost 2
Twrecks600

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It's all part of the hobby. When I first started, I went through about $6k in one year on helis and parts. After my crashing percentage declined, it wasn't so bad but last week, my main gear rubbed on and severed my elevator servo wire and caused almost a $350 crash and that was just after repairing the heli the week before (one way bearing went out) totaling almost $150.00. Last year I totaled a heli from either a one way bearing or an ESC failure. You're talking almost $2k gone, just like that.

It hurts but it's part of the game. People used to tell me when I started flying that If I couldn't afford to fly helis, I shouldn't fly helis. Sometimes I wish I didn't fly helis but when I fly, there is nothing else like it so I bite the bullet and continue doing what I love to do

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05-28-2013 10:04 AM  4 years agoPost 3
rexxigpilot

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I'm a solution kind of guy but the only solution here seems to be quitting since having new stuff didn't solve the problem and checking stuff over didn't seem much better.
I can't solve a problem I can't identify.
That's why I don't buy Align helis anymore. I still have a few that rarely go to the field. I just got tired of constant mechanical failures.

I was in your position a few years ago where I wanted to quit this hobby. Lucky for me, I bought a Mikado Logo 600 instead. Logos just seem to fly and fly with no issues and very little maintenance. Now, I have had one crash with my Logo 600 that wasn't my fault, but it wasn't the Logo's either. It was a failure with a CC ESC. The replacement CC ESC just went up in flames during startup the other day. Destroyed the ESC, canopy and WR BEC. Altogether is was a $400 hit. I will fix my Logo and will not be using a CC ESC this time after being twice bit by CC.

I guess my point is you can minimize the non-pilot error type crashes by getting better equipment. It may cost more upfront, but it will make the hobby enjoyable again.

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05-28-2013 03:32 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Twrecks600

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Not to start a "this heli is better than that heli" war but how do you say Align is not a good product? Some of the worlds top pros (Jamie Robertson, Ben Storick, Bert Kammmerer, Tareq AlSaadi) fly Align helis and fly them well. Sure, you can say that they get paid to fly but look at the abuse they put on the machines!! I have ALWAYS flown Align helis and mechanically have never had an issue (minus a recent one way bearing issue)but I am very anal about maintenance and pre / post flight inspections. My last 700E I had for almost 2 years and put 1500 flights on her and she looked / performed like she was brand new. And the new Align machines are much better than the first generation. In my opinion, Align has stepped up their game quite a bit over the years!! Bang for the buck, Align is your best option. Parts are readily available and affordable and interchangeable with other Align machines. Wide variety of options.

Again, I don't want to get into a pissing contest, just stating my opinion (and some facts thrown in for good measure!!).

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05-28-2013 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 5
Kinger

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Everyone has different things they can afford in the hobby. Some can crash 700's all day long and not be affected financially while others cannot. A good rule of thumb might be that if you can't afford to fix it, don't fly it. On the other hand, you certainly appear to be going through some rough luck so theoretically you shouldn't be crashing all that often so the repair costs while looming large now are not that bad if you consider how long you fly in between crashes. Maybe look at it this way........you didn't crash for a long time so that could be money you were saving for the days when you'd need to spend it repairing a machine?

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05-28-2013 05:37 PM  4 years agoPost 6
rexxigpilot

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Twrecks, all I can tell you is that some of us recognize quality when we see it, or the lack thereof. One should not have to be so anal about maintaining a toy they own! After owning six Align helis I decided to get off that merry-go-round and bought better equipment. It was the best decision I've made in this hobby.

I'm not saying that Align helis don't fly well, they do. It is just that they are in a constant state of needing repair. When I want to go fly, I just want to take my heli off its rack, throw it in the back of my truck then go out and beat the living sh1+ out of it. When I get back home, I want to put it up wet and not worry about whether or not it will need maintenance before its next outing. You can do this with a Logo or even a Goblin. You can't do this with an Align product.

Sure, they have gotten better since the original 450, so what. They still are a pain in the arse to maintain (constantly repair) and their lack of quality and mediocre design causes many crashes that are not pilot error. I don't need or want that in my helis and I don't believe the OP does either!

Some of us fly to relieve the stress of our daily lives. Worrying about whether or not your heli will stay together is no stress relief! Just saying.

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05-28-2013 08:28 PM  4 years agoPost 7
PFDRick

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Thanks
I appreciate everyones input but I'm tending to lean towards pointing fingers at Align. Not 100%, and not saying they suck....just saying if a more dependable product with better over all results is available, I should consider it. Especially considering its all coming out of my pocket....I'd be delighted to beat the hell out of Align's stuff if they gave it to me...discounted it..paid me for it...or hell....just design it right and stand behind it....but if I'm paying for it...it needs to be AT LEAST dependable....I would prefer long lasting or resilient...but would accept dependable. I keep hearing "that happens sometimes"...that's ridiculous.

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06-25-2013 12:59 AM  4 years agoPost 8
blaster182

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Sorry to hear about your issues, but I don't believe for a minute it is because of the brand of Heli . I have been flying align products from 450 to 700s and never had a problem except for when the 700 was first introduced I had a few main gears strip, but other than that have been very happy with all of mine. Are you sure your crashes were manufacturer related rather than an overlooked problem with build or setup? Do you really think it would not have happened with another brand Heli ?
Just sayin.

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07-05-2013 01:29 AM  4 years agoPost 9
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I once was told, "if you can't afford to fly Align, than you can't afford to be in this Hobby".

I've always wanted to fly since 93' but when you're 15, no car & your bank account has no commas....it's tough. 1 week after buying it...sold off my Concept 30 helicopter. Climb back in the saddle 4 yrs later with a Kalt Enforcer. Got lessons, progressed to tail in hover but no forward flight ....crash three times in one day and called it quits till 2012.

I noticed all the advancements in batteries, electronics & etc ... thought i give it a try. I was having so much trouble with the nitro equipment. So I went online and ordered from: Xheli, Hobbypartz & Nitroplanes. Got the usual suspects: micro collective pitch heli, dynam 450 FB and EXI Trex 500 clone with some very questionable electronics including my SIM (when i was learning inverted backwards....it caused me crash but when i got RF....didn't make me crash). Made training gears from Home Depot and hovered for 4 months!
although i was able to do nose in hover. I was using a FSky 9X (same as Turnigy)...sad, sad & very sad. One time my heli was acting weird while in a hover ... landed and the Heli just took off 20' into the air,shut off and landed on a roof! Another time it was windy, picked up the heli 20' up and at this time my orientation was better. Tried to bring the tail in but she just shut off. Again, hopped the wall and retrieve from a roof top. Turns out the range on my radio was 20' or so. Guess it wasn't 2.4ghz but 2.4 Meters! Bought another receiver, routed wires differently, check online via forums to of no luck. So chucked the transmitter. Actually tried to give it away on HF....no one wanted it! Below is the link to my post for the failed giveaway.

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=467557&page=4
(4th from the top)

So my quest for new TX lead to a new LSH and the JR9503X. Awesome TX!
Than i fell into the 130X & 300X $$$$ abyss. Ended up owning five 130X & two 300X. Nothing but trouble, heartache and had a nervous breakdown. Me & Horizon Hobby are on a first name basis! Our love affair lasted for 4 months than I met Miss Trex from ALIGN! 500 than 450 .... the LSH told me since i was 5 miles away from Align .... if you have a problem, they would warranty it. So sure, why not! All my Trex 500 crashes were from motor failures, ESC, 3GX & mechanical problems. I had 2 motors where the magnets came loose. I'm no dummy & know how to setup my birds but it's just bad parts & engineering. One way always going out, main rotor hub rocking back and forth (gets worst with each flight and drives the FBL system crazy), umbrella gears stripping.
I bought a brand new set of DS515M servos, no crashes .. after a flight, one of the aileron servo dead! it just dropped down! (Got really lucky!)... exchanged it and got a new one with no hassle. Than during a hover ... noticed the elevator oscillating. Put it on the bench and the elevator servo died (servo arms just dropped again!) so i had to replace 2 of 3 servos and they were less than 6 flights old! so i thought, maybe it's just mini servos in general!?!? but my Hitec has lasted me over 4 months of hovering and many many many many horrible crashes! Its just things that make you go hmmmmmmmh?

Align are hard to work on, needs alot of attention and quite heavy. So efficient isn't Align's middle name. Unless you never had better ... that was the best I had at the time(Trex 500) so that's why i ended up with 6 TREX 500 (only b/c I never had anything better). Looking back ... that was so silly. They crash so often b/c of mechanically failure, i'ld expect it. I justify it by saying that's better than a 600 or 700 going down. The LSH love me! i was there everyday but Sunday b/c they were closed. I'd go to another hobby shop. I have seen alot of Align 700 (especially their new V2) go down and witness CC ESC with hard shut-off causing crashes and CC fires. I had CC BEC capacitors falling off inflight but no crashes from it (CC are really good about their warranties....so why can't they just be that way about making their products?)

Along the way, i've been hoarding Trex 600, 700, Goblin 500 & 700, Compass Atom 500 & 6HV, Gaui X5, etc. Thinking ... man, these heli's are high maintenance or mishaps just always seems to happen (100% not pilot error).....than i better get more heli's, so when i stick it, i've got another bird ready to rock-n-roll. I've built me quite an embarrassing collection.

Than one day I discovered about Mikado Logo! It was when one of my Trex 500 took a nose dive from a motor 500MX motor failure. only had 9 flights on it. Was researching online with the keyword: RELIABLE RC HELICOPTER. Soon after, built a Logo 500 with kontronik, Xera motor, full size futaba servos. It's was Love @ Spoolup....The Logo was solid, so quiet, simple, low part count, the quality & engineering was incredible. She just popped off the ground .. she was ready to fly before I was!

I restore vehicles and have worked on cars for past 15 yrs and I know fine craftsmanship and engineering when I see it. Mikado has no slop and all the parts are high quality. After my Logo, I couldn't look at all my other helis anymore. Only thing that comes close was my Goblin 500 & 700 but i'm on the verge of selling them too!

I had even picked up that Goblin that was on the youtube video:
Goblin 700 or 7HV?!?
..........hehheheeheheheee...a guy can go broke watching these videos. I know guys that end up buying both. They should rename it:
" Which 90 Size Heli to Get First! "

Watch at YouTube

....over 100+ flights with no issues on my Logo 500. There's a guy at a local flying field has over 1,200 flights on his Logo 500!
(oh, it's Zguy from HF...very helpful & cool guy........also, a "What's UP" to Finless Bob from HF!...had to pleasure of meeting him, although at the time I didn't know who he was and tried to help him with his 130X!!!!)

If you must have a 700 or 90 size heli....Goblin or 7HV is quite nice!
Everything is well made, engineered. Assuming you loctite everything and clean out the spindle shaft & bolt with brake cleaner fluid & alcohol and use red loctite....helps the Loctite to set. Got the tip from Bert on "Build the Goblin 500".

But sadly, some failure are from incorrect assembly & setup, loctiting and lack of common sense while running wires & electronic placement.

There is a paradox to RC helicopter. To be a pilot, you have to know how to work & tune them. I'm not rich but just lots of credit cards....and I went too deep in the wabbit whole & didn't leave any bread crumbs so I couldn't find my way out. I really wanted to fly & keep my routine going ... for me it wasn't pilot error either ... It was not doing my research & getting too excited. Just like Top Gun...two flights a day and attend SIM's in between. I used to fly 20 packs a day and 6 packs in my sleep! Neglected my priority and call in sick just to rebuild my crappy chopters. I just got brain washed into thinking heli's failed all the time and just to accept it as it's part of the hobby. I used to visit the casino often ... so Heli is just a smaller pit but at least you have control (so you think).

Now i place ads offering free consultation for all would be RC Heli Pilots, newbies and intermediates in this great Hobby of ours and steer them away from the darkside of RC Helicopters. Hate to loose another brother to the Sith Lord of RC Heli-Universe!

I think i must of quite 4 times and thought about taking the off ramp a dozen times. After a few weeks the itch came back, especially on a beautiful day. Thinking of doing nothing but carving the sky with your mechanical bird. Don't sale all your RC stuff just to buy it back. Get yourself a solid bird with some good electronics and consider it "Happy Hour!"

Hope this helps anyone reading!!!!!

- Scott
May all your flights be a success!

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07-18-2013 08:27 PM  4 years agoPost 10
RCHSF

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I make damn sure logite on everything metal, and when in question locktite, gets locktite to make sure it don't come off either.
Honestly I spend 30 times more time checking mine than flying them. Every link gets checked to death over and over. Wires, everything, belt, etc.

Most important rule.
You got to grab stuff and pull on it.

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07-18-2013 09:57 PM  4 years agoPost 11
RogerRabbit62

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It comes down to experience and material at last.

If you want to know what a reliable heli is then ask a flight school. They have to earn money.
If you duplicate their setup you are on the right track.

Miado Logo and Henseleit TDR seem to be top in the list.

Flying helis especially the big ones is a expensive game. If you cant support a few 700 crashes you should not fly such a machine,
You will select then probably not the most rekiable parts and that will lead into trouble easy.

ANY build flaw will cost you, sometimes not direct but later on.

500/550 is a lot cheaper to fly and nearly same fun.

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07-18-2013 10:20 PM  4 years agoPost 12
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In full scale there's a solution, we call it "flying lessons". It's impractical as well as painful and possibly deadly to learn through crashing there, so we use the flying lessons/flight instructor thingy instead. This way we wear the plane out rather than fly it into the ground.

Now, in rc, we don't quite have quite that same tradition, since instruction of any kind isn't required, either by law or by simple survival instinct.

but we can approximate it in various ways and we get a similar savings in terms of crashed aircraft. I'm not of the opinion that crashing is just a part of the hobby. If you do some things right and avoid doing some of the wrong things, you can keep the crashes down to a very occasional event:

- get instruction (buddy box with experienced pilot) if possible.
- if not, learn _all_ new maneuvers on a sim. Sim technology is pretty spectacular today and they're great tools for learning.
- always push your skill set _only_ on the sim.
- avoid pushing your skill set with the real thing. There's no gain in pushing limits with a real aircraft, only pain. In rc, it costs you your kit as you've already seen (in FS it kills you) so there's no benefit to it.
- use good judgment on deciding what "pushing your skill set" means. This means different things to different pilots. Some can push a softspot a little more than others, some really shouldn't do it at all.

That last one is kind of nebulous, so be conservative at first at finding your limits. also, some days you're just not as sharp as others. On those days, if all you feel competent to do is hover, hover a few pack or tanks and then wrap it up.

So that's one way to be able to afford it and have a good time. This isn't a unique thing to rc. If you're really crashing all the time you're either really really working at it hard or you're doing something wrong.

I very rarely crash and I'm a very mediocre rc pilot. When I do, though, it's always horrific, a full speed full power pummel right into the ground. So I just keep a couple helis in running condition and fly the remaining ones. Until I can afford to fix or rekit the crashed one.

LS

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07-18-2013 10:47 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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I appreciate everyones input but I'm tending to lean towards pointing fingers at Align.
Don't mean to be the party pooper on Align, but my oldest and most reliable heli is my V1 Trex 700E. I've never had an in-flight or other mechanical failure with it at all. I ordered it from Ron Lund 3 years ago, IIRC, and it was the old V1 flybar model (I still have the flybar head). I converted it to FBL a couple years ago with the also-old V1 FBL head, which it still has on it. I've lost count of the number of FBL units and gyros it's had on it, different servos, flight packs and it's even on its second motor (replaced only to lower the KV). No idea how many different sets of blades I've used on it.

I've never worn out a part on it, it's got all the original parts from the original build and it still flies great. It's so old it came with the plastic battery trays and has a KDE rear frame brace on it (added by me).

The only problem I ever had with any Trex was my 700N - the start shaft OWB kept slipping. I've had two of the 700N's, both only gave problems at the scene of the crash (apart from the OWB problem), and in no other way that I can remember.

So I can't go along with the Align is junky thing. They're fine helis and will give you just fine service. So can't blame the heli this time, IMO.

I'm a Miniature Whippy guy now, because I just like MA and the Whippy, but I intend to keep flying my 700E till death due us part .

LS

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07-18-2013 11:03 PM  4 years agoPost 14
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It is just that they are in a constant state of needing repair. When I want to go fly, I just want to take my heli off its rack, throw it in the back of my truck then go out and beat the living sh1+ out of it. When I get back home, I want to put it up wet and not worry about whether or not it will need maintenance before its next outing. You can do this with a Logo or even a Goblin. You can't do this with an Align product.
Sorry, guys. This is just simply not true. Like any heli, an Align's worst enemy is its owner/operator, not the heli itself. If it's having all these problems, the fault lies elsewhere (the aforementioned owner/op being the likely culprit).

Aligns are among the best beaters on the market. I've owned 4 Aligns, 2 700N's (may they R.I.P.), and my existing 700E and 450. The 700Ns died only through pilot error; the only crappiness was the start shaft OWB and that was all. I put over 50 hours on the second one and it was just about to outlast its engine! The only part it required in all that time was a new clutch liner. Honest. Unfortunately, I flew it into the ground before I got to test that outcome.

Otherwise, they just went truck->field->fly->home->repeat until you're sick of flying. My 700E and even the 450 I still wear em out back and forth to the field and don't have to screw with them.

Sorry, but this is just false information about Aligns. True, there are other helis more well made, but it's just not the case that Aligns are junk or maintenance/parts taskmasters.

LS

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09-11-2013 10:50 AM  4 years agoPost 15
Heli Fanatix

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When Align came on the market .....they we up and coming and have to make a name for themselves. Before that they made washing machine motors. This is where the phrase, "they don't make it like they use to" comes in. Very misleading name:
Trex 450 but has 325mm blades
Trex 500 but has 425mm blades
Trex 550-up were true to size
Look at every other manufacture.. They corrctly name thier heli's ....this by itself is very misleading and makes you wonder.
Engineering and quality comes hand. Align is anything but efficient, very noisy, high part count,a vulnerable power train (don't know if they do it on purpose so we could buy their umbrella gears that cost up the wazoo), and so on. They are heavy with sloppy tolerances in the rotor head.
Their first heli was really well made, I own a Trex 700 v1 and is solid, since it was model after the nitro version. But I ant say the same for the Trex 500, 600 and the newer 700's. Since they built a good name years ago....things went south soon after.

They copied Compass's rigid head design and called it DFC....had some serious flaw. Compass was the originator and did their homework. Align was the kidmthat copied the the homework in home room and doesnt have a clue. Just check out the Video half way through the page.....picture says a thousand words.

http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/DFC.html

Not to mention how all the rotor head clamps to main shaft. It wobbles and when I purchases a FBL head for my 450 at a LSH and asked about the play, they told me, "it's just a hobby, what do you expect?"
I paid no attention to him and found a KDE FBL rotor hub but it was $65! Yikes! Got a Tarot FBL head for $40 instead of Align's $90 ..... Half as much but 3X's better. Although Align's head will fly...... But with the Tarot assembly, I could turn the cylic gain from 45 to 68. Another is the tail geometry as explained by the "man" Finless Bob already and Align never fixed it till this day.
As for the newer Trex 700.....has tail vibes that has cause a lot of crashes. I proved it was bad design by taking a 700 v1 tail section onto the a newer Trex 700 that no one could fix the tail vibration. PROBLEM SOLVED ...... Hmmmmm?!?!

Last example: my trex 500 went through 2 align 500mx motor....magnet dropped and shifted twice. They were nice enough to warranty it for me but told me this would be it! (didn't know it was limited to 2 returns per customer) . Had a DS515M die on bench and another died right after I landed b/c it was bouncing up and down while hovering...lucky me. Can you images the consequences?! Again.....they we able to exchange for new one...

BTW
Align is only 20 mins from me.

So after all this rant....Align? Good? Yes if you never had or knew better. Quality? Just look at the 3GX and DFC design? Funny thing is the fact Tarot (align clones) are better quality! Efficient? Heavy and loud. Flyibility? yes they work and get you up in the air just as long as you do your part assembling. Most people that are in the hobby long enough, they know better.
Aside any electrical failure....mechanical failure can be caught with routine maintanence before something catasphopic occurs. Operators are to blame for most part either they don't know better, dont check their machines as often or just carelessness. Besides Blade products.....what other heli has that much flaws where the manufacture doesn't address the issue?

Align are descent helicopters ....but you have to really know what you are doing to keep them flying.
They are not that bad ..... Not good either.
I have a lot of helicopter and assemble them all the Same manner .... So I speak from first hand experience
Part of the hobby is Knowing how to work on the heli. The manual does not tell you how to maintain .... From normal wear and tear. This is where the pilot must have a go to person or place. Do their diligence otherwise you will have problems. Do's and Don't and proper understand of mechanics are a must.

- Scott

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09-12-2013 05:25 AM  4 years agoPost 16
Blake Lombard

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I'm sorry to admit this as well but ALIGN IS YOUR PROBLEM HERE!! I was in the same spot as you as with every body else over here...only flew align helis, never crashed because of pilot error...never, but the heli kept on failing, and note I have been in this hobby for 8 years, I always do checks...2 hour checks every Friday evening before the weekend flying.

I dug deep in my pocket and got a TDR and never looked back... 300 flights, not a screw came loose and it has boosted by confidence through the roof.

I dont fly anything that is not a 100% German made and came to the conclusion buying cheap is buying expensive....so all my helis now have kontronik, futaba products....like I said I had to dig deep in my pocket but it was worth every penny.

With this said you will only understand what i mean when you click "confirm your order" before that no one that has not built or flown a TDR or a Diabolo will understand this. I wont even take an Align even if I get it for free.

Sell your Align and get out, get either a TDR, DIABOLO or a LOGO

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09-13-2013 04:51 AM  4 years agoPost 17
Zaneman007

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Not my fault man
I have not heard that before, really.

I've owned and flown, Synergy, JR, Thunder Tiger, Align, Blade, hobby king and Century Helis.

I have and still fly on a regular basis the original align 600N, modified for FBL. I have never had a screw come out that had lock tight on it. If it didn't well, that's another story.

I have had issues with JR and Century Helis.

All Helis need to be maintained, normal wear and tear is tough. 3D wear and tear is brutal. If you just want to hang up your heli wet and not maintain it, your heli will fail. It's just a matter of when, and not a good practice.

Keep in mind some people do a better job at building than others.

I saw a logo 600 go down in flight just recently. We determined that it was either a build error or a faulty part. But then, its always easier to blame it on the heli.

Bottom line: unless you can determine the exact cause which is hard, my money goes with the build error.

And, Yes, this hobby is not for those with shallow pockets.

Old Guys Rule!

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09-13-2013 07:59 PM  4 years agoPost 18
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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I saw a logo 600 go down in flight just recently. We determined that it was either a build error or a faulty part.
It likely had over 500 flights on it! I had a part fail on my Logo 600 after around 800 flights. The motor bearings were so badly worn there was around 3/32" radial play in the motor shaft at the pinion gear. The main gear stripped as it should with such clearance. That was not the heli's fault. It was mine for not having thoroughly checked my heli. I guess the reliability of the Logo got my lazy.

Align helis just fail all the time because of low quality materials and poor manufacturing tolerances. Ya get what you paid for!

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09-13-2013 11:42 PM  4 years agoPost 19
Zaneman007

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Wow, really
Try less than ten flights on the logo.

The truth seams to be painful to some, not sure why. I'm out of hear before reality totally slips away.

Old Guys Rule!

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09-14-2013 12:01 AM  4 years agoPost 20
Heli Fanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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Sorry to hear about the Logo ..... What happened? I lost the tail b/c I ran the bearing on top of pulley using 600 tail with 500SE belt. It slip off and rode between the bearing and pulley and melted the pulley side (close test to tail blades). That was within 6 flights and about a $300 crash and 10 hrs to rebuild.... User error to blame for that

- Scott

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