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05-27-2013 07:25 PM  4 years agoPost 1
honda411

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This will not be a nitro vs electric thread, or i will delete it. This is simply for the pros and cons of each.

I currently have a gaui x7. Crap tons of power, but may go back to nitro because of initial cost and flight times. What is your reason for which you choose?

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05-27-2013 07:33 PM  4 years agoPost 2
BrainDrain_dx

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I recently started flying my 700n again. Flybarless with a YS91 3ds.

Pros - flys awesome, long flight times, plenty of power, superior autos.

negs - Slime... slime everywhere, higher maintenance requirements, more $$$$/flight.

I honestly love it... When it works

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05-27-2013 07:40 PM  4 years agoPost 3
honda411

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thank you sir for your reply. Maybe list of good nitro 700 helis also from anyone? Was thinking MA 700

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05-27-2013 07:41 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Jeff polisena

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To me nitro is a bit more simple . If you have access to fuel locally at a good price and can tune properly . Electrics are good for power and noise plus no oil on airframe but a crash can cost more if you loose batteries or electronics . I've never had any problems flying either one but I have fields as well as LHS for fuel and parts support .
For me the biggest issue or determining factor is flight times .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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05-27-2013 07:48 PM  4 years agoPost 5
McKrackin

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Pros and cons are a big discussion.

Nitro helis don't ever burn because you over filled the tank.
Nitro will NEVER catch fire on it's own or burn down your home.
Nitro doesn't have to be discharged when not in use.
Nitro helis can fly all day long without ever thinking about needing a source of electric.
Nitro will never take $300 worth of fuel with it in a crash.
If you run a jug of nitro completely empty...you can just put more in instead of throwing it away...No over discharge worries.

Nothing takes the place of a real engine if you're a gearhead.

I use an OS105HZ-R and it make awesome power.
I use Torco 15% which is $98 a case delivered to my doorstep.

Cost per minute is not as different as some like to claim if you use quality lipos.

Electric is no doubt better for some but by no means is it better in general.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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05-27-2013 07:56 PM  4 years agoPost 6
HeliNutAndy

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I only have two main models. A Trex 550 and a NX4. The NX4 gets the most flying time. I finally figured out how to tune the motor(with help from RR). It is a bit more involved but I feel it's more realistic.

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05-27-2013 07:57 PM  4 years agoPost 7
ICUR1-2

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Why would an E-guy want a Nitro?
If you read the NvsE then you would know the pro's and cons.
maybe the question should be

Why would an E-guy want a Nitro?

for me :
I like the noise, the fact it has an engine not a motor.
I don't mind the slime (I think of it as rust proofing.
I like something I can start with a drill!
ya it's heavy hauling a gallon of fuel + starter + TX + heli
but heck I can go anywhere there isn't a power source.
I love the smoke it helps get rid of bugs.
if my electric smokes I cry.
I don't mind getting my hands dirty but I guess for some they would prefer to stay clean.

If you prefer a 68 Camaro to a Ricer then maybe nitro is for you.

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05-27-2013 08:16 PM  4 years agoPost 8
stubbs

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Nitro helis can fly all day long without ever thinking about needing a source of electric.
Yo, Einstein, you use a rechargeable RX pack, no?

I like electric because I pull my fuel right out of the wall for pennies a charge...if that...

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05-27-2013 08:18 PM  4 years agoPost 9
Jeff polisena

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I think if you tune correctly and wipe Heli down oil is not an issue and also you find maitainence issues early

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05-27-2013 08:23 PM  4 years agoPost 10
honda411

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thanks for all of the great replies guys. It sure does help.
I guess mainly im looking for longer flight times where i can actually focus on new tricks, rather than worry about 4 minutes in. And i can have some cash left over because the nitro is cheaper to buy everything upfront.
Im not too big on the whole oily mess thing though. My trucks carpet hates me for it when i had one before.
Im a tinker fanatic, but hopefully its not too extensive. And seems nitro tends to grab the eyes of the old guys at the field hiding behind the benches.
Sorry, dont mean old guys literally. But the ones here are grumpy

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05-27-2013 08:26 PM  4 years agoPost 11
McKrackin

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Yo, Einstein, you use a rechargeable RX pack, no?

I like electric because I pull my fuel right out of the wall for pennies a charge...if that...
Yes I charge my RX pack....After every hour and a half of flight.
I charge it with a $25 charger and no 12/24 volt power supply needed.
Two $25 packs will fly pretty much all day.

You pull your fuel out of the wall for pennies and put it in a container that costs hundreds of dollars and has to be thrown away in a safe manner after about 100 fill ups.

Stop making like an electric runs for free...It doesn't....It doesn't even do it cheap.

This thread is about a 700 size heli so spare us your 3S stories.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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05-27-2013 08:38 PM  4 years agoPost 12
ICUR1-2

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my 2s2p 4000mah rx packs last for about 7-8 flights about 70-80 min flying and I bring 2.
usually pretty tired by the 2nd pack

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05-27-2013 08:43 PM  4 years agoPost 13
McKrackin

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A well tuned nitro doesn't get all that messy by the way.
I keep mine in the house...on carpet or anywhere I want.

The blades get a film on them but that's about it.

The heli will get oily after a few dozen flights though if you never clean it...I never clean mine until I have to take it apart to work on it.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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05-27-2013 08:44 PM  4 years agoPost 14
stubbs

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Yes I charge my RX pack....After every hour and a half of flight.
I charge it with a $25 charger
Guess what? That's a POWER SUPPLY, aka a SOURCE, which you said you didn't need.
You pull your fuel out of the wall for pennies and put it in a container that costs hundreds of dollars and has to be thrown away in a safe manner after about 100 fill ups.
Oh, BS. I get far more than 100 charges on a battery. I also get far more amortized minutes of flight time than you'll ever get out of an equivalent amount of nitro. Yeah, the charger/power supplies cost some coin, but that gets less and less over time. I don't even "feel" the cost anymore. I also don't have to continuously make trips to the LHS or order on-line for fuel, either. I will concede to the possibility of trashing a battery in a crash, though. That is definitely one disadvantage, among the many advantages, of electric power.
Stop making like an electric runs for free...It doesn't....It doesn't even do it cheap.
I see you like to make stuff up since I never said it ran for "free". All I did was talk about charge. Are you seriously going to argue that a fill of nitro is CHEAPER than a charge? If so, then they need to reopen a sanitarium just for you.
This thread is about a 700 size heli so spare us your 3S stories.
And? Since you brought it up...is 3S all you fly? Because that seems to be about the caliber of your so-called "reasoning".

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05-27-2013 08:51 PM  4 years agoPost 15
BladeScraperz

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I started out flying plankers years ago when nitro was the only source of pulpusion and loved it! The electrics came along and made me lazy and didnt have the energy to service and deal with the issues, so my nitros fell by the wayside for most of my flying. Along came helis and electrics made the most sense but I have been longing for the nitro feel again but just havent pulled the trigger on one yet. Most of my buddies fly electric only with a couple flying nitro as well. The electric guys seem to get more flight time between issues, whereas the nitro guys get to fly much longer and say they advance quicker because of the extra 2-3 minutes flight time. I say just fly what you enjoy, fun is what we are all after. I think I may have no choice but to pick a nitro up and try it for myself, mainly for the nitro thrill and flight time.

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05-27-2013 08:51 PM  4 years agoPost 16
McKrackin

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A fill up with nitro is 100% FREE since you want to not count the initial purchase.

I guess your lipos are free.lol...

Now stop trolling up this guys thread...You have nothing of value to add to his question.

Honda...You should block this stubbs clown.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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05-27-2013 08:52 PM  4 years agoPost 17
honda411

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This will not be a nitro vs electric thread, or i will delete it. This is simply for the pros and cons of each.
Remember what the first two lines of this topic were?
I would like people to chime in to actually read an informative topic to which some may consider like myself.
Lets keep this professional. If your going to bash, do it through PM, email, ground usps mail, text or phone call.

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05-27-2013 08:55 PM  4 years agoPost 18
westwindpilot

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Well Honda, it seems you may have your answer huh? Make the switch. Get a MA whiplash and call it good

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05-27-2013 08:56 PM  4 years agoPost 19
honda411

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livinontheedge:

sounds like your in the same boat i am in. Hard to let go of electric, but then flight times will allow us to get more stick time to advance.
I will 100% agree, when i went to electric, my maintenance routine when out the window. Yeah things dont go sour as quick as nitro sometimes, but just got to the habit of oh it still looks fine and in one piece. Lets just go fly it. Where nitro i can inspect as i clean.
This is getting interesting

westwind:
Yeah you do have a good choice. Still chomping at the bit about it. Then i will have some cash leftover to get my new radio

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05-27-2013 08:58 PM  4 years agoPost 20
Mapleleafs

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^^^^^ Give it a rest "stubbs" your fighting about little toys... no need to get all worked up.

The two of you sound like children, do us all a favor and wait until recces to go work it out in the sandbox.

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