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05-27-2013 03:07 PM  4 years agoPost 41
es1co2bar3

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Another well known fact conservatives contribute more to charities than liberals do. 
Mike you want to bare false witness but, you dont know the reward for such maneuver,
The rule of conservative is to conserve: 'not to give. This' s why there's stark difference between the republican and the democratic
You can rewrite the fact in your post if you like. Ok mike a quick quesrion for ya, help me out here.

"Your party consider every taker to be freeloader ; 'what do uou call it when it
Is given to chariry??.....if not what different does it make between people in general and charity?
Keep talking mike the world is warching.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-27-2013 03:12 PM  4 years agoPost 42
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One more note' at the rate people commit
Murder suicude in TEXAS over hunger there
Dont seem to be any charity there mike.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-27-2013 03:34 PM  4 years agoPost 43
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Mike you want to bare false witness but, you dont know the reward for such maneuver,
What the heck does this mean?
This' s why there's stark difference between the republican and the democratic
The biggest difference is we conservatives pay the tab while you liberals spend. The only reason they voted for you libs is "I want free stuff"
"Your party consider every taker to be freeloader
Wrong as a conservative I believe in giving a helping hand over people becoming lazy and dependent on government.
Keep talking mike the world is warching.
I hope so we need to get the message out.
One more note' at the rate people commit
Murder suicude in TEXAS over hunger there
Dont seem to be any charity there mike
Really have any facts to back that up?

Mike

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05-27-2013 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 44
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Here mike the policy of your state dealing with poor people, from the TEXAS TRIBUNE}
Cash-strapped texas city increasingly are trying to tap a previously overlooked pot of money – uncollected fines, fees and other costs imposed by civil and criminal courts – in order to help them balance their books.

And when people don’t pay these court-ordered debts, some local officials have not been shy about tossing them in jail, leading to the creation of modern-day “debtor’s prisons” full of poor offenders, advocates say.

“The system doesn’t really work when the courts, instead of administering justice, are debt collection agencies,” said Roopal Patel, co-author of a 2010 report on the issue by the Brennan Center for Justice. “If a court is preoccupied with fundraising and turning toward the poorest people going through the system to raise money, it really undermines the function of the courts.”

While there is no comprehensive data on how many states jail citizens for court-related debt, several organizations, including the Brennan Center, have raised alarms over what they say is the widespread practice of locking up poor offenders in violation of federal law, citing Supreme Court rulings that someone can only be incarcerated for “willfully” refusing to pay.

James Robert Nason could be a case study for the court-debt-prison cycle.

In 1999, when he was 18, he pleaded guilty to second-degree burglary in Spokane, Wash. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail, community service, and ordered to pay $735 in court costs, attorney fees and restitution. That debt began to accrue 12 percent annual interest from the day of his sentencing.

Nason didn’t finish the community service, and didn’t keep up with the payments. As a result he served more than 120 days behind bars over several years, despite arguing that he couldn’t afford to pay. At one hearing, he said he was both homeless and unemployed.

In 2006, as he faced 120 more days in jail, his court-appointed appellate lawyer argued that Spokane’s self-described “auto jail,” which put Nason behind bars without a hearing whenever he failed to pay, violated his rights to due process.

In 2010, the Washington State Supreme Court agreed. Before imposing sanctions for failure to pay court debt, “a trial court must inquire into the offender’s ability to pay,” the court wrote in its decision in Nason’s case. Spokane court officials declined to comment, citing pending lawsuits.

Certain counties in Florida, Ohio, Georgia and elsewhere also routinely imprison people who fail to keep up with court debt, according to the American Civil Liberties Union and the Brennan Center. In practice, advocates said, courts often fail to inquire about a defendant’s ability to pay until after they’re incarcerated.

Trying to collect
Even states that do not regularly jail debtors may use the threat of jail to go after fees and fines -- with consequences that can play out for years
Nora Gonzalez, a 40-year-old Seattle resident, discovered how persistent court-ordered debt can be after she was convicted in 2005 of passing a bad check. She served a few days in jail at the time and was sentenced to make payments to the court.

“What I paid back to the courts was close to $600,” she said. “I thought I was finished, but I guess I wasn’t.”

Last year, she found she owed more than $3,000 in restitution, which has now gone to collections. She must pay her outstanding fines and fees, then wait five years, before she can have her record expunged and become re-licensed in her former occupation as a caregiver. Without a job, she struggles to pay it. But until she pays it, she cannot work.

“If I had the money I would definitely go pay,” she said. “I feel it weighing over me. It’s holding me back.”

In what critics see as an example of collection efforts run amok, Philadelphia in 2010 began to collect court-related debt dating to 1971, after a series in the Philadelphia Inquirer revealed the city had failed to collect an estimated $1.5 billion.

A review by the courts determined that an estimated 400,000 residents owed the city money – cash that Philadelphia, facing a $1.35 billion budget shortfall over five years, sorely needs.

First Judicial District President Judge Pamela Dembe defended the program, which critics say has been problematic because of often incomplete payment information, making it difficult --and in some cases impossible -- to prove whether the debt has been paid.

“When, and only when, an individual is convicted of a crime, there are state required fees and court costs which the defendant must pay,” she said in a written statement. “If the defendant doesn’t pay, law-abiding taxpayers must pay these costs.”

Critics argue that that debt and aggressive collection efforts can prevent poor defendants, many of whom lack legal representation, from contributing to society.

“We’re talking about saddling a population that has nothing with debt, and then telling them they’re supposed to successfully re-enter society and be productive,” said Rebecca Vallas, an attorney with Community Legal Services, which provides legal assistance to poor txas residents.
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mike it's nice being republican but, its bad being the people who'll govern under them.
"oh wait' let us secceed move here.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-27-2013 05:52 PM  4 years agoPost 45
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I have no problem with criminals being fined and paying court costs. Law abiding citizens have nothing to fear here.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

What's wrong with people being held accountable for their actions?

2010? Why not post something current?

Mike

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05-27-2013 06:15 PM  4 years agoPost 46
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There are better alternatives to jumping on the communism band wagon every time something bad happens.

Support Red Cross.

http://www.redcross.org/charitable-donations

My GF is a Red Cross volunteer disaster nurse. They do great things.

Better run, and MUCH faster to respond than FEMA.

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05-27-2013 06:47 PM  4 years agoPost 47
es1co2bar3

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have no problem with criminals being fined and paying court
All them folks isn't criminal mike".....we're talking people in general living under the republican control'
What's wrong with people being held accountable for their actions?
Interlectualy nothing wrong with that mike,'....we are looking
at the aspect of what happening in people live daily, not a
single one of us is perfect.When We have a economic situation arose
This is how republican state handle situation. MY question is; 'why
ask people to make blood run out of stone
, knowing no one can do
more than life willing to do.

Your state try to cover up murder suicide "why? maybe because it's
embarrassing how they manage thing there, if a person don't have
J O B they're PHUK.
2010? Why not post something current?
The crap go on everyday in republican control state in blue state
they put people 1st we don't want to see the murder suicide rate
like those the republican sponsor.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-27-2013 06:52 PM  4 years agoPost 48
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Remember a week after the new Jersey storm disaster? Does anyone remember seeing FEMA doing anything? Nope, because they were not there, (as usual) But you did see Red Cross was already there, and had been there for a few days doing what they could.

FEMA's budget is 13.5 BILLION dollars these days. hmmmm. Where are they? Have they all gone golfing with Obama in Hawaii?

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05-27-2013 07:00 PM  4 years agoPost 49
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The way you measure the performance of a CHARITABLE Orgainization :
Is the % of cost attributed to administrative over head - or RAW COST of Operation's. FIXED

If they know what they are doing: It should be under 10%

If your contributions are finding the source of the NEEDY - Getting to them where they need it. In the trenches -

It is ONE of the reason's the church family is overwhelming successful - especially when it comes to helping.

NO- TAX or Fed Money : So Please Check to see if your wallet is doing the talking -

Last Flood that my family had we lost the complete foundation:

Smile -a plastic bucket, a mop, a broom, bottle of Lysol - black Coffee and Baloney Samich.

So when you hear f Some thing like Samaritans Purse run in or the Nation's Missions 0r the Small Nation Churches - Know that it was a INVISIBLE ARMY that didn't advertise.

They are in their with Back Hoe's to Chain Saw's - Home Cooking and bed roll's on living room floor's with HOT SHOWERS and PEACE.

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05-27-2013 07:02 PM  4 years agoPost 50
rcmiket

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All them folks isn't criminal mike".....we're talking people in general living under the republican control'
Yea they are or they wouldn't be in court. Plain and simple be responsible for your actions. Seems to work just fine for most people.
In 1999, when he was 18, he pleaded guilty to second-degree burglary in Spokane, Wash.
she was convicted in 2005 of passing a bad check.
Both convicted of a criminal act.

Mike

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05-27-2013 07:02 PM  4 years agoPost 51
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All them folks isn't criminal mike".....we're talking people in general living under the republican control'
Democrats Have Been Liars, Crooks, Thugs, And Bigots For 200 Years

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05-27-2013 07:09 PM  4 years agoPost 52
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Democrats Have Been Liars, Crooks, Thugs, And Bigots For 200 Years
They just cop the 5th and get put on paid leave. Wonder how that would work if I get audited?

Mike

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05-27-2013 07:24 PM  4 years agoPost 53
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Both convicted of a criminal act.
OK there" 'so what we do with these people across state line??

in a blue state we give them community service or help them find a
job we don't impose hard ship, telling them to pay when they don't
have a job.

Now we back to square 1 when a person make a mistake you give them a
2nd chance, turning your BACK ON Them is only going to create criminal
on the road and that is more problem for the state, or that person
go kill his/her self..... that's what is going on in them red state.
you ask me for link to back up my claims; 'and there's far too many
on the net.

I can identify the laps in the republican party and there's way
of thinking.

But theirs vision for this country is just backward. mike
and you don't even have a clue;'

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-27-2013 07:26 PM  4 years agoPost 54
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in a blue state we give them community service or help them find a
job we don't impose hard ship, telling them to pay when they don't
have a job.
Yeah,how is that working out for California? that broke a$$ state.LOL
All the blue states are going to be a burden on the rest of us red states,just as the liberals are a burden on a working Republican.

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05-27-2013 10:28 PM  4 years agoPost 55
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OK there" 'so what we do with these people across state line??
If it's across state lines it's now a felony. Hows that suit ya.

Mike

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05-27-2013 10:43 PM  4 years agoPost 56
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in a blue state we give them community service or help them find a
job we don't impose hard ship, telling them to pay when they don't
have a job.
So, when someone kills your family and steal your stuff you just give them more free stuff? No wonder your crime is out of control!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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05-27-2013 11:09 PM  4 years agoPost 57
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I guess in a Blue State, collecting your check and food stamps, standing on a corner with a 40 and smokin' crack, constitutes "community service".
If you made people do community service for their welfare esco, that would solve the problem. They'd rather starve than lift a finger to work.
How many of your friends have NEVER cashed a paycheck esco???

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05-28-2013 12:26 AM  4 years agoPost 58
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Why texan go NUT
Marine linked to deadly Texas shooting spree, body in NC motel room

Hey mike it happen as we speak let us all secceed go to texas]
it the safest place to be.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...n-nc-motel-room

Mike I hate to tell you this, texas is crazy it like another world by itself. full with all kind of bullthit happening everyday.
The republican have no control over what happening daily, you love to
talk about people moving in', what about those who secceed??
If you made people do community service for their welfare esco, that would solve the problem. They'd rather starve than lift a finger to work
Republican have a total different view on society, boy I tell ya
the help got to start somewhere that it.
So, when someone kills your family and steal your stuff you just give them more free stuff
Where in the thread was this implemented ? for I don't see it, I never type it babyuh1.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-28-2013 12:51 AM  4 years agoPost 59
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Mike I hate to tell you this, texas is crazy it like another world by itself. full with all kind of bullthit happening everyday.
and 6 dead in Chicago this weekend along with a nutcase in Oregon planing to blow up a high school.
What's you point?

Mike

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05-28-2013 01:36 AM  4 years agoPost 60
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Republican have a total different view on society, boy I tell ya
the help got to start somewhere that it.
Its ok to have a different view.That is what America was built on.You have your way of thinking other people have theirs.Sometimes your view is wrong other times Republicans are right.

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