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01-24-2013 02:46 PM  4 years agoPost 1
1heliman

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I wuold love to here from you on what the best heli is for teaching me inverted flight. I have a raptor 30 v2 with flybar, an ECO8 and will soon be getting the blade 450 3d. The only reason I am going with the 450 3d is it is bundled with a dx6i for a graet price. After that I will get the 450X flybarless. I was wondering if the mcpx v2 would be a good teacher, as it won't smash to bits when I auger in. I do have realflight sim but it is not the same as actually flying your dollars in the air. Thanks guys.

-Bill

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01-24-2013 02:50 PM  4 years agoPost 2
bkervaski

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You have it, sim, sim, sim, sim and then when you're done, sim some more, at least 20-30 minutes a day 3-5 days per week. And don't fly around, keep practicing the same two or three things over and over. Do this for 3-4 weeks and most will be hovering inverted no problem.

There is no better teacher than time and the sim.

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01-24-2013 02:51 PM  4 years agoPost 3
duchoaaz

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what the best heli is for teaching me inverted flight.
MCPx

But I will wait for couple of week. The double brushless MCPx coming out soon.

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01-24-2013 03:47 PM  4 years agoPost 4
RyanW

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I agree on the sim... from both sides. Yes, you need it for orientation, no it isn't like having your $$$ up in the air.

I am a firm believer in flying bigger machines to get your feet wet in aerobatics. The small machines can be harder to flip, roll and do many other things (new flybarless controllers help, but you are still extremely effected by wind, etc).

As I have said before... most of the micros are fun toys for experienced pilots and not real great for learning platforms.

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01-24-2013 03:55 PM  4 years agoPost 5
TurboRacer

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Blade MCPX. MUCH better than the sim. Can fly anywhere. Almost unbreakable if you fly over grass and quick on the throttle hold.

I learned more in six months flying an MCPX than I did in years and years of playing with sims and bigger birds..

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01-24-2013 04:06 PM  4 years agoPost 6
wrongler

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I used the sim with a 600 Align to learn inverted.

Bill Whittaker

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01-24-2013 04:34 PM  4 years agoPost 7
Solmanbandit

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The only reason I am going with the 450 3d is it is bundled with a dx6i for a graet price.
Don't do it. The DX6I isn't that great of a radio and would go with at least a DX7. The Blade 450 isn't that great and is built pretty cheap. The blade 450 is fine if you pick it up really cheap, but I wouldn't spend the money on a new one. A trex 450 or even a clone would be better. If you get a trex 450 clone, you can always upgrade parts at your discretion as you get better.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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01-24-2013 04:40 PM  4 years agoPost 8
Scooterpilot

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Sim, Sim, and more sim; then, convert the 30V2 to FBL and learn with it. The machine's flight characteristics are very different in the FBL configuation. Flips are quicker, hovers are more locked, rolls are quicker and it's much easier to see than a 450 size machine.

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01-24-2013 05:09 PM  4 years agoPost 9
datidun

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What about the blade 130X is that any good it looks slightly bigger,i use the sim all the time but a bit of indoor flying is more fun.I had the Blade 120 SR and was absolute rubbish,looking for something better.

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01-24-2013 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 10
chopper_crazy

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the 130x is a great heli but much more fragile than the mcpx

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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01-24-2013 05:29 PM  4 years agoPost 11
niyot

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1. Practice on the simulator until you feel you are ready.
2. When you try something new in real life, start up high so you will have time to recover if anything happens.
3. I agree with passing over the dx6 for a 7ch. it seems like you will be progressing to a larger heli in the near future and unless you have cash to burn, I think you should get something that will support your needs for a while. With that being said there are many great deals online on used and new transmitters.

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01-24-2013 05:37 PM  4 years agoPost 12
Ace Dude

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I am a firm believer in flying bigger machines to get your feet wet in aerobatics. The small machines can be harder to flip, roll and do many other things (new flybarless controllers help, but you are still extremely effected by wind, etc).

As I have said before... most of the micros are fun toys for experienced pilots and not real great for learning platforms.
I agree 100%.

  

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01-24-2013 05:43 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Solmanbandit

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The small machines can be harder to flip, roll and do many other things (new flybarless controllers help, but you are still extremely effected by wind, etc).
Definitely not harder to flip and roll as they tend to be quicker. As far as the wind goes, yes, they are a more at the mercy to the wind than the larger counterparts. One thing to remember too is that with bigger heli's, come bigger costs.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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01-24-2013 06:35 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Chris982

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I agree! The sim will build your muscle memory. Its like learning a new language or learning to walk. Your programming you brain to think like the heli. Once your brain is wired and you actually fly, it will be like second nature. When you do your first inverted flight, take it high enough so if you make a mistake you can correct it.

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01-24-2013 07:19 PM  4 years agoPost 15
JasonJ

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I have to agree with the others. The sim is your best tool. I didn't have a powerful computer to run my sim on so I had to turn some stuff down and use photo fields and all that and I never felt it was quite right. As a result I didn't sim as much. Bought a new computer and was able to max everything out and now it works awesome despite being an older version. I downloaded a Logo 600 and it feels quite close to my Velocity so I am enthusiastic about my sim again. Sim plus trying stuff up high equals win.

As far as the mcpx, it's cool and fun but if you can't get it to flip on over reliably without contortions and prayers then it's usefulness drops. The new brushless one looks to be a game changer and I look forward to getting mine even though I just use mcpxs for dinking around.

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01-24-2013 07:36 PM  4 years agoPost 16
TurboRacer

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Ehh, I never had a problem flipping mine. I learned confident inverted flight on it. It was perfect.. Whatever floats your boat though!!

If you have the Spektrum TX you can find used BNF's for like $85.

TRUST me. It's a better training tool than a sim!

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01-24-2013 08:04 PM  4 years agoPost 17
smokey

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I would say that Sim and mCPx was my best tools. The mCPx was more learning collective management to get it to flip over without the tail blowing out. But sim was what I used for hours of stick time just to get the muscle memory set and learning bail out maneuvers.

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01-24-2013 09:31 PM  4 years agoPost 18
DougsRC

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The mCPx was more learning collective management to get it to flip over without the tail blowing out. But sim was what I used for hours of stick time just to get the muscle memory set and learning bail out maneuvers.
I concur with smokey, the McpX is the least expensive heli to crash I have ever flown. I went brushless and a longer tail boom on the lil guy and its a Low stress heli for inverted.

Another thing about inverted on the Sim is -- pick an orientation, either tail in or tail out and stick with one at first--- get the heli down low inverted and steer it forward/ back/ side to side and back to center again in a controlled manner and repeat. If you think the Heli-Gods will magically bail you out--- they won't Also, whilst inverted tell yourself ---down is up ---on collective If you forget that for 1 second there will be Pandimonium

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01-24-2013 09:36 PM  4 years agoPost 19
jschenck

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your Raptor-30 would be a great heli to try inverted on. Run wood blades and a lower headspeed, won't cost much more to fix than a 450 if you smash it.

Practice on the sim first and make sure you have a clear "muscle memory" bail out. I learned by doing a 1/2 loop and stopping at the top inverted. When it gets uncomfortable "push out" with negative collective and you are back to tail in hover.

mCPx is tough to learn inverted on because your inclination is to hammer the collective which will cause the tail to kick.

use less collective then you think you need. smooth and easy on the sticks.

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01-24-2013 10:26 PM  4 years agoPost 20
Noobyflyer

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Wanted to share with you my first time inverted FWIW

It took me a longgg time to nut up and try. I kept slowing down front flips until I was pausing at the invert for a couple seconds....way up high. The hardest part was adjusting to the tail...it's backwards when upside down.

If you keep up the inverted on the sim then slowly progress to front flip and pause, you will get it.

It was the reversed collective that was tricky, but you'll get it if you break it down into steps.

I didn't crash and you won't either.

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