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01-23-2013 01:35 PM  4 years agoPost 21
OICU812

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Love what ya want, time is limited enjoy them while they make em

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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01-23-2013 03:18 PM  4 years agoPost 22
T-Rex-Flyer

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OICU any flying in Alberta, Canada this time of year?

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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01-23-2013 04:17 PM  4 years agoPost 23
Richardmid1

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I totally understand where the OP is coming from. Its why I have zero interest in flying a quad-copter, its just technology doing stuff in the air!

I watched a 2005 Ircha DVD the other day, still amazing! Especially Alan Szabo with his Raptor 90! Without a simulator! Now thats skill! Not 8 year old Chin Whan Chow Chi flying his dads 14s FBL Vibe E12 or whatever!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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01-23-2013 05:45 PM  4 years agoPost 24
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Betofazzo

You can program back IN flybarred feel (on the IKon for sure, and I suspect the Beastx as well.
Dont like the sterile flying or fbl program it out

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01-23-2013 09:54 PM  4 years agoPost 25
ticedoff8

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I remember when the new fangled tail rotor "gyros" first came on the scene.
Anyone using a gyro was a wimp.
Flying with mechanical mixing or the transmitter TR comp was only slightly higher than those guys with the gyros.
Real Men flew bareback - you did everything with the left thumb or you stayed home. Damn it.
And don't get me started on collective - that was the Devil's Tool.

Having said that...

I love the mechanical complexity of a good flybared head. The last really nice one I had was the Raptor 90 SE/3D.
I still have it - on the shelf.

I did a flybarless conversion to my Raptor for the simple reason that it is cleaner, uses less power and I can "tune" everything in the FBL controller rather than the mechanics of the head.

Is it "cheating"? Yep, so are tail rotor gyros and collective.

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01-23-2013 10:05 PM  4 years agoPost 26
windshear

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I just traded my last two FB helicopters. All FBL for me now. For me I see no advantage to FB helicopters. I can tune FBL just how I want it and not have to compromise like with a FB unit. FB just lost its fun for me when I flew my first FBL. Saying not to upgrade to FBL because you are disconnected from the heli is like saying don't use a heading hold gyro for the same reason. I don't think anyone would try to fly a heli now without a tail gyro muchless heading hold.

Tech changes most times for the better. I've been in the hobby since 1989. First heli was a Concept 30DX. Oh how far we have come since then!!

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01-23-2013 10:09 PM  4 years agoPost 27
Simmer

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I cheated With a 50 dollar Kraft Gyro. A spinning mechanical gyro.
That made the impossible possible for me. Fast forward 30 years. I won't be going back to fly bar, ( And I won't fly without a gyro for the tail)

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01-23-2013 10:17 PM  4 years agoPost 28
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When the FBL gets upset, it's SPLAT!!! Hey, you killed Kenny!!!
The thing is ever sence i made the switch to HeliCommand mine never gets upset any more, it just does what i tell it to all the time every time and that's what i call fun !!!

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01-23-2013 10:26 PM  4 years agoPost 29
Big Edge

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resistance is futile.. all will eventually be assimilated.

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01-23-2013 11:45 PM  4 years agoPost 30
fenderstrat

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Tubes are the latest rage with musicians
HHHMMMM been playing a Marshall amp with good old EL 34 tubes in various configurations for 25 years.Guess I was ahead of the times.Tubes have been the preferred method of power for guitar players since the 50's.

I am seriously considering trying FBL this year.I just want to see what its all about.

The comparison of FBL to HH gyros holds no merit.HH gyros made modern 3D possible.Period.There is no move a FBL heli can do that a FB can't.

I have to laugh at one statement though.You are putting on aFBL head and adding a FBL controller so you can then dial in the feel of a FB.Seems kinda like going in a circle to me.But as said I am interested and may be trying it VERY soon

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01-24-2013 12:01 AM  4 years agoPost 31
BobOD

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Come to think of it, this same kind of thing went on back then with the transistor versus the tube...only is went on over HAM radio.
One of my favorite arguments, and it was oh so true, was:
With a transistor, one slip with a probe and it's dead.
With a tube, one slip with a probe and you're dead...the tube will live on.

Another thing of pride with the tube was, "They are sooooo horrifically INEFFICIENT!".
A plus to a guy running a HAM rig out in an unheated shed in the middle of winter.

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01-24-2013 01:02 AM  4 years agoPost 32
Noobyflyer

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I think flybarrless is more like having power steering on a car. I don't think it's any easier to fly at all.

I can't see myself ever going back to flybarred. FBL is much more efficient and tracks so much better in the sky. I get just as much of a thrill with FBL as I did with FB. It feels locked in and the wind is less of a bother.

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01-24-2013 01:12 AM  4 years agoPost 33
JasonJ

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Hey don't forget that fancy new fangled thing called fuel injection and computer engine management. Anyone who has had the pleasure of diagnosing carb issues or messing with points and vacuum advances and such can't possibly think that was better that hooking up a scan tool and replacing a problem sensor. Carb icing was another super awesome thing I don't miss, right along with giving the gas pedal a couple of pumps to start it and get it on the high idle step. There are people reading this post that probably think I am speaking a foreign language. Progress is good, I promise...

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01-24-2013 01:16 AM  4 years agoPost 34
BobOD

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FBL is much more efficient and tracks so much better in the sky. I get just as much of a thrill with FBL as I did with FB. It feels locked in and the wind is less of a bother.
Well, don't those things make it easier to fly?

I enjoy flybarless but don't think everyone HAS to go FBL.
I do keep flybar setups around for when I'm testing out new stuff and I don't want the FBL masking what's going on.

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01-24-2013 01:21 AM  4 years agoPost 35
BobOD

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Anyone who has had the pleasure of diagnosing carb issues or messing with points and vacuum advances and such can't possibly think that was better that hooking up a scan tool and replacing a problem sensor.
It always goes both ways. I have never been left stranded by a carb failure. I've had plenty, and was always able to repair right on the side of the road. Fuel injection has left me stranded with nothing I could do.
Of course, the benefit of fuel inj. outweighs but I cursed them until they were reliable.

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01-24-2013 01:23 AM  4 years agoPost 36
AWittleWabbit

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I was waiting for the mechanical fuel computer aka carburetor to FI analogy. Go up a few kFt in the mountains and run like crap

Re-jetting a carb is a lost art.

I do have to say it's amazing what can be done mechanically.

On that, when is OS or YS going to have a temp, altitude, and noob proof FI glow motor?

Heli-itis sufferer.

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01-24-2013 01:32 AM  4 years agoPost 37
fenderstrat

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messing with points and vacuum advances
I have personally set points using the tried and true method of a match pack.Standard procedure back then if you didn't have feeler guages.

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01-24-2013 01:41 AM  4 years agoPost 38
fenderstrat

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I think some of the comparisons though are MAJOR advances.I dont see FBL as Major.Sure from what I can tell its better but really as far as flying it hasn't advanced the hobby.

As I already mentioned,for example,the HH gyro made certain moves possible, tic tocs, precise fast backward flight, funnels,hurricanes,ect.It brought these moves down to where almost all pilots could do them.I just dont see FBL being necessary in a way that say LIPO/BL motors have raised performance.But maybe I will change my mind when I try it

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01-24-2013 02:55 AM  4 years agoPost 39
JasonJ

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Yeah, matchbook covers were all I used on points. I have been on the side of the road exactly 0 times from fuel injected vehicles. Carbs I generally had success with but I knew how to keep them running. Now, I spent a lot more time fixing other peoples carb rigs than injected rigs. Of course, when the massive emp happens we will all be clamoring for the old timey rigs. I will say that old 1970 Scout I had was a great rig and it was bone simple.

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01-24-2013 03:36 AM  4 years agoPost 40
GetToDaChopper

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I wouldn't say tubes are all the rage these days in guitar amps, i'd say "amp modeling" is the new rage, should check it out as it's pretty amazing what it can and will be able to do !

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