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01-22-2013 11:49 PM  4 years agoPost 1
Betofazzo

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I know flybarless helicopters are cool, the tecnology the stabilty, power, speed, presicion, etc..., ( i have 3 fbl)., but i feel these are "perfect machines", computer controled.( the soul of a FBL is the tiny black box:.).don't are "real" in some ways (robot's), you know,
mechanics are reduced to a minimum now, the sensation it's like is fliying by itself...., is more easy (in most cases).., when you fly a flybar you can feel the rotor, the wind, reaction time is diferent, even the sound (loud) is like you are fliying the real thing...
Note: (3d is a different world, fast, pure adrenaline..xtreme, addictive..) I enjoy so much flybarred helis, i don't know if anyone can feel the same..?, i have 10 years now fliying helis, airplanes a bit more.. i start with a hirobo z.,next electric's, raptors, Align etc.

Finally I have a Turbine heli.. :) Mobb Powercat !!

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01-23-2013 12:58 AM  4 years agoPost 2
BeltFedBrowning

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I completly agree. I love my flybars. I love the look and complexity of the flybarred head. My flybar has never malfunctioned and crashed my heli.

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01-23-2013 01:08 AM  4 years agoPost 3
hootowl

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Nitro and flybarred LOL

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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01-23-2013 01:35 AM  4 years agoPost 4
steph280

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Think of it this way, if some mechanical device (bell and Hiller) can achieve something that's only possible with fancy electronics, that certainly is very cool!

But unfortunately flybar came out first, so people thinks that newer is always better.

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01-23-2013 01:46 AM  4 years agoPost 5
AWittleWabbit

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FBL

Obedient, submissive, predictable

FB

Capricious, talks back, sometimes unpredictable

There's a place for both depending on your mood. My wife must have flybar paddles.....

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01-23-2013 02:20 AM  4 years agoPost 6
FARRL

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Flybar helicopters suck. FBL rule.

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01-23-2013 02:27 AM  4 years agoPost 7
ICUR1-2

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This hobby has a way of swaying people back and forth
electric to nitro and back, fb to fbl and so forth

I find it easier to hold a stationary hover with a flybar

spending time, paying attention

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01-23-2013 02:42 AM  4 years agoPost 8
ZS-JAF

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I have only heard rumors that you can get a FB 450 so well tuned it hovers in one spot.

I have a 3D heli, I don't understand why it doesn't do 3D

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01-23-2013 02:44 AM  4 years agoPost 9
BeltFedBrowning

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If it hovers by itself, is it still fun?

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01-23-2013 02:51 AM  4 years agoPost 10
ICUR1-2

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If it hovers by itself, is it still fun?
YES because it is a sign of being well tuned in

spending time, paying attention

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01-23-2013 03:53 AM  4 years agoPost 11
drdot

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fwiw..

Hey, Wittle....That was funny!!!

John.

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01-23-2013 04:07 AM  4 years agoPost 12
BobOD

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That was a good one Wabbit.

To add, when the FB gets upset, she gets twitchy and unruly.

When the FBL gets upset, it's SPLAT!!! Hey, you killed Kenny!!!

Sensor wire broken
Ail sensor out of range
ele sensor out of range
moderate vibrations
below 3.3 volts
I got a headache
There's a fire

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01-23-2013 04:14 AM  4 years agoPost 13
Betofazzo

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"Flybar helicopters suck. FBL rule."
Ask to Mr. M. Hashimoto if they suck's

+1 i love the look and complexity of a flybarred head.

Finally I have a Turbine heli.. :) Mobb Powercat !!

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01-23-2013 05:15 AM  4 years agoPost 14
JasonJ

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My FB helis always flew well but FB is always a compromise between stability and agility. Fbl you can have both. I went fbl because I wanted to try it out. This reminds me of when the compact disc came out and they were poopoo'd because vinyl records sounded more "warm" or how tube amps sounded more "warm" than transistor amps. I know, I was one of those guys. In the end a cd on a good system sounds fine and an fbl helicopter flies fine. I sure hope we don't end up with elitist snobby flybarphiles in this hobby, don't think I could handle it...

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01-23-2013 05:33 AM  4 years agoPost 15
BobOD

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Tubes are the latest rage with musicians and discerning listeners. Many will have tubes somewhere in the signal path to impart the depth that the transistor and all the digital processing just has been unable to reproduce.
Many tube factories have been reopened in the last 10 or 15 years...not in this country of course.

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01-23-2013 05:49 AM  4 years agoPost 16
AWittleWabbit

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He he now we need a fbl controller with mechanical gyros for that "warm" feeling!

Anyone remember tube testers at the drug store?
To add, when the FB gets upset, she gets twitchy and unruly.
Thanks Bob

She has some paddle weights now but it just made her less likely to do 3d

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01-23-2013 11:02 AM  4 years agoPost 17
Chris982

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I think every dog has his day. Flybar was good in its time but now we are evolving. We use to depend on the mail man to receive important information but now we have email and smart phones. I love flybarless but I started out with flybared. All we can do is try and keep up with the technology. We don't want to get left behind.

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01-23-2013 12:30 PM  4 years agoPost 18
RCHSF

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I like both, but hardly no experience with FBL, only my Nano. So I cant judge the benefit of FBL. But I can say I can setup a FB heli very easy. And it flys well. The unpredictability of a Bigger FBL heli is just not in my budget at this time.

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01-23-2013 12:32 PM  4 years agoPost 19
tgalo

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20 years ago I had a dozen Nitro helis in my fleet with flybars. Took a 20 year break, today I have electric flybarless. I used to dream of this tech back then.
Tony

Gravity's a bitch ant it?

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01-23-2013 01:28 PM  4 years agoPost 20
icanfly

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you can fly a modded fb head to fly fbl without electronics

Watch at YouTube

Watch at YouTube

It will probably require a ton of expo at mid stick to soften inputs and I can't imagine it will be easy to control in wind. The blades have a natural tendency to flutter which causes oscillation which in turn excites the rotor disc to want to rotate on it's end due to gyroscopic precession, much like an incorrectly tossed frizzbee when it rolls to its side.

How about this example, if you took a spinning ball and hung it from a string it would want to swerve outward and eventually rotate on a 90 degree angle, horizontally on the string. If you were to balance that spinning ball on a pole it would stand upright and spin on it's axis not dropping to the sides. Your rotor disc acts similarly but your control prevents the flipping tendency by evenly distributing the rotor wash.

There's a lot of unstable air being created by the flybar assembly and blade grips, therefore, UNSTABLE AIR.

Most guys reduce blade flutter with high rpm.

I tell you by accident my fb 450 detuned to a low headspead of 5 or 6 hundred rpm. It wobbled a bit then would become stable, then wobble, then stabilize. It was nice to see it in the air with so little blade velocity.

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