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Logo 500 › Is a 500 a waste of time ?
01-21-2013 06:16 AM  4 years agoPost 1
Paul Woodcock

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Hi guys

I have a Logo 600.... which I love. Considering that, is a 500 a waste of time?

At the moment I only have the Logo 600 and a TDR and its time for something new and I cant make up my mind.

I an stuck between a Logo 500 or 700. They are obviously very different machines. The 500 just looks like a fun heli. The 700 will be a far more serious heli.

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Paul

PS: I don't have any equipment suitable for either. So both would be a fresh start.

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01-21-2013 06:29 AM  4 years agoPost 2
OLROY

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I have the 500SE flying Rail 606's and love it. With only using 1 6s battery you can fly all day on 4 of them

If you want a bullet turn up HS and run RT 560's

I have no other Logo's but at this time it's the only one I want

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01-21-2013 10:02 AM  4 years agoPost 3
Paul Woodcock

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Hi OLROY

Thanks for the advice.

I am just concerned it will feel like a little 600 and never really get flown....

Regards
Paul

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01-21-2013 02:25 PM  4 years agoPost 4
michael88997

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Is money an issue on them? Your talking 1 6s pack vs 2, not to mention the cost of the Heli...

I have a 500 and its my favorite Heli I've ever had, I have a 4025 on 16t pinion and its very fast plus I get 5 min of flight time

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01-21-2013 04:27 PM  4 years agoPost 5
Paul Woodcock

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Hi Michael

I realise the 500 vs 700 is not exactly a comparison..... Probably 3x the price and 10x the Heli.....

What I was trying to ask is: if you have a 600, is a 500 a pointless machine?

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Paul

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01-21-2013 04:35 PM  4 years agoPost 6
michael88997

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If your looking for a fun Heli that uses 1 pack a flight I'm sure you would love it... Personally I wouldn't want a 600 and 700 cause of all the charging and half the flights, but that's just me

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01-21-2013 08:04 PM  4 years agoPost 7
v58 fuy

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I have a 500se swinging 603mm edge blades running on 6s, and I've sold all my other heli's because I love it so much - but I don't have a 600.

The field I fly at, means the 500se is perfect for the space available.

David

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01-22-2013 08:09 AM  4 years agoPost 8
El Guapo

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I have a TDR. two logo 600. and a trex 700.

few months ago I bought the logo500, it is the heli I fly the most. 6s is really convenient. If I only have time for a quick flight, the logo500 is the one.

it feels simple and fun. its a tall stubby heli and it doesn't pickup velocity like a logo600 or a TDR. so to me it feels like I have more time do maneuvers.

just make sure you put a 100A esc on it. I smoked a 75A castle on mine.

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01-22-2013 08:25 AM  4 years agoPost 9
v58 fuy

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Agree with previous comment particularly about the 100a esc. I prefer the 500se because it doesn't look stubby with the longer boom.

Funny thing is when I used to fly high head speed align type heli's, I was always flying the heli really fast and didn't worry about precision that much. Now with the Logo, it is so smooth and quiet, that now I fly a lot of time very low and relatively close, and my precision is ten times better now.

David

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01-22-2013 12:00 PM  4 years agoPost 10
Paul Woodcock

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Hi guys

Thanks for the info.

I have previously tried smaller machines. I had a Protos and liked the size, I just didn't like how it flew. Couldn't get the balance of stability vs agility set up properly. I sold it before my FBL days. FBL would have changed that

I later tried a FBL Mini Protos. It flew really well, except too small. Tareq bought it from me.

Having flown/owned MANY machines.... I have to be honest and say my Logo600 is my best.... Ever. If I lost it, I would go buy another ( well SX ). If I lost my TDR, I would be upset, but probably not replace it.

If a 500 is 1/2 as good as a 600, it sound like it will be a good small Heli.....

Thanks again.

Regards
Paul

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01-22-2013 03:31 PM  4 years agoPost 11
rexxigpilot

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Paul, you may not enjoy the Logo 500 nearly as much as the Logo 600. I currently have the Logo 600 and Logo 700 which is under construction still. I had the Logo 500SE. It was a great little heli and was fun to fly due to the light disc loading. The single 6S battery was also nice and inexpensive. Although I don't know how long the packs would have lasted with the high current draw from the Logo 500SE.

Your problem with a Logo 500 may be, as was mine, in the fact that you own a high voltage (10S or 12S) Logo 600. Not much out there, if anything, can fly better. The 500 always seemed underpowered even with the Xera 4020 motor, which put out plenty of power. Bottom-line, I doubt you would keep the Logo 500 long. If you crashed it you may not replace it.

Once you get used to the brute power that a lightweight and powerful machine like the Logo 600 has, it is hard to go back to less. That's why I got the Logo 700. I can't tell you how I like it yet as I'm still building it (just need some male EC5 connectors to complete it). But the reviews of the 700 from those who have owned or do still own with the 600 are outstanding.

I got a Goblin 700 a few months ago. I like it, but the level of concentration I need to fly it hard is exhausting. The Goblin feels nervous to me. It's like a larger version of a high powered 450. I certainly can't relax with the Goblin like I can with my Logo 600. It may be the 2300 headspeed of the Goblin that makes it a challenge. Whatever the cause, it is not relaxing to fly for me.

Enter the Logo 700. If the 700 can give me the big heli presence like the Goblin or any other 700+ size heli, yet with the finesse of the Logo 600, I have found my dream heli. I'll post what I think of the Logo 700 in a week or so.

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01-22-2013 03:57 PM  4 years agoPost 12
OLROY

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Under power on 500SE????

I've never owned a Logo until I got my 1st 500SE
And it was set up as a freaking rocket swinging RT560's running on 6S

My buddy that has all the Logos, TDR and Goblins flew mine and said it was stupid fast and it was so now I'm swinging Rail 606 with 1800 HS...and love the way it flying now

Here was that Rocket set up

Scorpion 4025-1100
Jive 100LV+ v9/ mode 4 /6s 5100mAh
15t pinion M 0.7
bls 451s/251
RT 560mm/ 92mm
Mini Vbar blue
2300 HS for 4:30/5:00min

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01-22-2013 06:42 PM  4 years agoPost 13
v58 fuy

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Have to agree with OLROY, I too now fly mine on 603mm and about 1850/1900 rpm and like it that way - but the 4025/1100 is a 3hp motor in a heli probably weighing around 6.5/7.0 pounds, sorry it's far from underpowered.

Of course all things are relative, and it might not have as much power as a HV 600 setup - but the 500se has about 50% more power than an OS50 Hyper, and no torque lag, in a lighter heli (how much power do you need?).

David

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01-22-2013 08:05 PM  4 years agoPost 14
michael88997

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Underpowered with a 4020 maybe, still a good motor... Slap a 4025 and 16t pinion and it becomes a crazy monster

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01-23-2013 03:37 AM  4 years agoPost 15
rexxigpilot

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I stand by my opinion. You can't compare electric power to nitro. The power of the 4020 Xera (same power as a 4025 Scorpion BTW) on 6S is a big step down from the HV setups. Sorry LV owners, fact is fact. Big power is easier to make with higher voltage.

Now you could make the Logo 500 run on 8S or 10S with small packs and it would be a different story. But why bother if you already have the Logo 600 with the beefier grips, higher module gears, etc.

The OP is in a position where he believes his Logo 600 is the best heli he's ever owned. The Logo 500 will not best the 600, but perhaps the Logo 700 will.

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01-23-2013 04:07 AM  4 years agoPost 16
cudaboy_71

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personally, i wouldn't see the need for a 500 with a 600 on the wall.

i fly my 600 with 620s. every time i fly it i come back to the pits with the hugest grin on my face.

i've flown a well set up L500, and i really liked it a lot. but, not better than my 600. if batteries/flights were the deciding factor, then ya i guess it could make sense.

but, you're contemplating an L700...i'll go out on a limb and assume buying a few packs and having a decent charging setup are not concerns.

get the 7.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-23-2013 05:55 AM  4 years agoPost 17
HeliMan Dave

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Just to clarify, the 4020-2y/1000 Xera (the 6s motor for the Logo 500) does NOT have the same power as the Scorpion 4025-1100.

I have both and that 4025 Scorp motor has quite a bit more power. The main drawback is higher current consumption and temp.
The power of the 4020 Xera (same power as a 4025 Scorpion BTW)

Logo 700 / 600 / 500 V-Bar NEO / Blade 180CFX / mCPX BL / Nano / V-Control

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01-23-2013 10:10 AM  4 years agoPost 18
Paul Woodcock

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Hi guys

Thanks for all your views.

I think I get it. A 500 will be good, be it will be a bit of a waste, considering I have a 600.

I have 2 good charger setups. The radio setup cost is about the same.... I would use Futaba BLS in both.

I will just save a little (well a lot) and wait for a 700.

Thanks for all your input.

Regards
Paul

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01-24-2013 02:34 AM  4 years agoPost 19
oragami

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PWood. Dont let anyone discourage you when talking about a 550 size helicopter. You see, everyone is stuck on this power thing and unfortunatley they dont think of finesse and skill. There are few pilots who can showcase the power of 10 and 12s set ups and the rest are just banging sticks and hanging on for life.

If set up correctly, the 500 would be an amazing choice. A good buddy of mine had a normal 500 not the deluxe version with a very middle of the road motor and it was one of the funnest helicopters I have ever flown. Plenty of power if you are already a good pilot, and if your not, it is even more than anyone entering the hobby should get into.

A waste of time is an opinion. These heli's have become like race cars and locker rooms, everyone thinks bigger, more powerful, and faster is what the hobby is about, when it is exactly the opposite. Flying is flying, symmetry, flow, finesse, control..

Been flying for 9 years, have had multiple sponsors and still retain a handfull. Take it from me man, the true 550 heli's are an awesome way to fly. Charge two packs and fly twice instead of once.

Dont worry about draw or current, just prepare for it. Get a Jive 100 instead of a 70. Select your motor carefully, I would go with the Kontroniks. Kontroniks have the highest efficiency rating which more flying, less heat. I think the 600 / 12 is the way to go.

Hope this helps

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01-24-2013 04:10 PM  4 years agoPost 20
RyanW

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As other people have mentioned, the 500 is a GREAT machine! It is in fact the single machine I regret selling. (I tried getting it back this week!)

People configure their 500 many ways. I had the 500SE, but it was configured as the 3D spec with the larger diameter tail boom. I always thought the skinny boom looked funny.

So in short, it had the SE carbon tail components, 600 diameter tail boom, cut down to the 500 3D length. Kevlar belt.

I had the Jive 100LV in it with an Xera motor. After playing around with about four different size blades, I found the shorter 500 3D tail boom with the 553mm main blades were a perfect fit for running a single 6S pack.

Enjoy!

-Ryan
Mikado USA, Kontronik, Opti-Power, MKS Servos

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