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10-27-2012 04:44 PM  5 years agoPost 21
WrenFlyer

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Esco, If you pay into social security and your retirement your entire life...and then retire, it's NOT a handout! You are simply getting back what you've paid into. If you are a 20 year old sitting on the front porch drinking beer and selling dope instead of actually working....you are a leach who needs to be removed from the host (taxpayers).

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10-27-2012 05:20 PM  5 years agoPost 22
Phaedrus

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While the responses so far show why it is a futile endeavor to attempt civilized discourse in this forum, I will try one more time since I am a total masochist.

Inverted Dude asked me this question a couple of months ago. Here was my answer:

Hi InvertedDude -

Why do I want to re-elect Obama? Several reasons. First, the SCOTUS. There will be at least one and likely two slots open up in the next four years and the idea of Romney being able to lock in a super majority of conservatives on the court is my greatest concern. While the court on paper is allegedly impartial, the current court is nothing like that. Justices Scalia, Alito, and Thomas make no secret of their openly right wing leanings. Right now it is a 5-4 court leaning to the right. The idea of what a 6-3 or 7-2 court would mean long term for this country terrifies me.

Second, I do not agree with the vision that Romney has for this country. If he was the Romney who was governor of Massachusetts I would likely vote for him. But he is not that guy any more. He panders to the extreme right of the Republican party and seems to have no real moral compass beyond saying and doing anything to get elected. He has left behind everything he used to believe in order to try to win. I cannot support a weather vane for President.

Thirdly, his choice for VP is a very poor one. The ideas that Ryan holds in his head defy my ability to grasp. He is a climate change denier, thinks all poor people are either lazy or gaming the system and despite being a self-avowed devout Catholic seems to not have even the smallest grasp of the basis of his religion or even a passing acquiantance with the precepts of Catholic Social Teaching.

To be clear, I am solidly in the upper 2% that will benefit greatly from a Romney/Ryan administration, but the price that would be paid in decimating the middle class, screwing our elderly (the Medicare voucher plan is awful), and leaving the poor to fend for themselves is simply not the kind of country I want to live in.

Abandoning the middle class to enrichen the already rich while holding the war machine as sacred and untouchable is not anything I want to be a part of. He wants to cut PBS and NPR, which are in the third or fourth decimal point of the budget, but is unwilling to consider any cuts to the military? He wants to cut taxes on the wealthy even more while making up for those cuts on the backs of the middle and lower class.

Is that really what you think America is all about??

I can turn it around and ask you this. If you are not in the Top 2% or so why on Earth would you vote Republican?? Nothing they want to do benefits anyone except that top 1% or 2%. And spare me the nonsense about the rich being job creators. American business is raking in record profits so why where are the jobs??

The thing the Republicans have done best is to convince so many of the middle class to support their view of a feudal serf-Lord society. The very few wealthy prosper while the rest of society scrapes by on the crumbs the Lords toss them, and they are grateful for the crumbs.

Finally, explain to me how Republicans can say they want the government out of people's lives and yet seem so dead set on telling women what they can do with their bodies, who you can love and marry, which religion is better, who deserves to live or die (health care), and a whole host of other things? As long as they let you have your guns I guess everything else doesn't matter.

So that's why I support Obama. Because the alternative scares the living hell out of me.

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10-27-2012 05:30 PM  5 years agoPost 23
WrenFlyer

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Phaedrus, While I do not agree with you...You do make a clear and concise case for why you support the candidate of your choice.

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10-27-2012 05:30 PM  5 years agoPost 24
GREYEAGLE

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One Question :
Phaedrus:

DO YOU identify yourself as CHRISTIAN ?

If not " What"

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10-27-2012 05:42 PM  5 years agoPost 25
Dennis (RIP)

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Phaedrus, While I do not agree with you...You do make a clear and concise case for why you support the candidate of your choice.
Yeah.

He did lay his reasoning out well enough.

Its to bad he's 100% dead nuts wrong.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-27-2012 05:49 PM  5 years agoPost 26
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10-27-2012 05:52 PM  5 years agoPost 27
GREYEAGLE

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SImple: Basic
Our Soil / Our Culture / Our Heritage

COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON IT

So Do we want to keep it ?? or Not ?

Do not assume privilege's

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10-27-2012 06:16 PM  5 years agoPost 28
baby uh1

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As they say, the proof is in the pudding and the democrat's pudding has made this country very, very sick!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-27-2012 09:55 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Phaedrus

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One Question :
Phaedrus:
DO YOU identify yourself as CHRISTIAN ?
If not " What"
I'm not entirely clear on what that has to do with anything. If I was Jewish, or Druid, or even Mormon would my opinions be any more or less valid??

But for the record I was born, Baptised and confirmed as a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I attend CCD classes all through high school and was married in the Catholic Church. My wife has a Master's degree in Catholic Theology and I did much of the readings she did so we could discuss the various lessons. I have more than a passing understanding of the tenants of Catholic Social Teaching, Catholic Ethical and Religious Directives, and a very good sense of the history of the Catholic Church and the Reformation. SO I feel safe in saying that I identify myself as a Christian.

So, does that make any difference to you?? If so, why?

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10-27-2012 09:56 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Phaedrus

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Obama just sucks and he had 4 years to prove it.
Well Noob, it is difficult to argue with such a well thought out and eloquently written opinion.

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10-27-2012 09:57 PM  5 years agoPost 31
Dennis (RIP)

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Well Noob, it is difficult to argue with such a well thought out and eloquently written opinion.
Those were my thoughts as well.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-27-2012 10:18 PM  5 years agoPost 32
GREYEAGLE

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Yes it Make a Hugh Difference : Excellent ! The Reason I ask ;;
Seem's that all the premises : You Present - DO NOT follow any Christian Value / Teaching or Ideology for the fellow man -

Quite a remarkable ---they " personal ideologue's " are almost 180 degree opposite or in reverse from a Christian Culture or Belief, of the Trinity with a definite intention or direction away from the Spirit Filled Life.

Can one assume you do NOT practice because of it's HIGHLY Political & Legalistic nature of that particular religion - or is the " BOOK " as it was written - without Doctorate modification's good enough???

Nothing you promote Add's to a Sum of Christianity - from your posting's. ZERO

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10-27-2012 10:24 PM  5 years agoPost 33
baby uh1

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Well Noob, it is difficult to argue with such a well thought out and eloquently written opinion.
Especially when the all known facts fully support it!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-27-2012 11:05 PM  5 years agoPost 34
Phaedrus

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Don't know what to tell you Greyeagle. What you think you know about my religion and what it really is are world's apart. Keep in mind that Catholics were the FIRST Christians.
Catholic social teaching is a central and essential element of our faith. Its roots are in the Hebrew prophets who announced God's special love for the poor and called God's people to a covenant of love and justice. It is a teaching founded on the life and words of Jesus Christ, who came "to bring glad tidings to the poor . . . liberty to captives . . . recovery of sight to the blind"(Lk 4:18-19), and who identified himself with "the least of these," the hungry and the stranger (cf. Mt 25:45). Catholic social teaching is built on a commitment to the poor. This commitment arises from our experiences of Christ in the eucharist.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains, "To receive in truth the Body and Blood of Christ given up for us, we must recognize Christ in the poorest, his brethren" (no. 1397).

Catholic social teaching emerges from the truth of what God has revealed to us about himself. We believe in the triune God whose very nature is communal and social. God the Father sends his only Son Jesus Christ and shares the Holy Spirit as his gift of love. God reveals himself to us as one who is not alone, but rather as one who is relational, one who is Trinity. Therefore, we who are made in God's image share this communal, social nature. We are called to reach out and to build relationships of love and justice.

Catholic social teaching is based on and inseparable from our understanding of human life and human dignity. Every human being is created in the image of God and redeemed by Jesus Christ, and therefore is invaluable and worthy of respect as a member of the human family. Every person, from the moment of conception to natural death, has inherent dignity and a right to life consistent with that dignity. Human dignity comes from God, not from any human quality or accomplishment.

Our commitment to the Catholic social mission must be rooted in and strengthened by our spiritual lives. In our relationship with God we experience the conversion of heart that is necessary to truly love one another as God has loved us.

---from Catholic Social Teaching: Challenges and Directions.
But perhaps some of these links will help you out:

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...al-teaching.cfm

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...ching/index.cfm

http://old.usccb.org/bishops/directives.shtml

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10-27-2012 11:09 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Phaedrus

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Oh, one other thing I need to make clear, no matter how strong my faith, or your belief in your God, none of us has the right to impose our beliefs on society. Religion is a road map on how we are to live "our lives", not how we are to impose our thinking on others, especially in a free society such as ours.

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10-27-2012 11:30 PM  5 years agoPost 36
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Obama is imposing his Muslim faith on the united states citizens with his Islamic offering of 4 dead Americans.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=11759

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10-27-2012 11:47 PM  5 years agoPost 37
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I may not agree with you, but friend...I applaud you speaking your piece. I applaud you. This is whar America is supposed to be about...civil discourse.

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10-28-2012 12:10 AM  5 years agoPost 38
Phaedrus

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Voltaire said:

“Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too”.

For me the operative word is "think" !!

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10-28-2012 12:13 AM  5 years agoPost 39
fla heli boy

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I agreee. My opine is "keep your f'ing eyes open".....

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10-28-2012 12:23 AM  5 years agoPost 40
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