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08-30-2012 02:45 AM  5 years agoPost 81
Ace Dude

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Here's a prime example of what happens when all you rule/government haters cannot follow simple rules. I sorry to see this club lost their field.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t708307p1/

http://cicondors.com/pdf/inspection.pdf

  

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08-30-2012 02:55 AM  5 years agoPost 82
McKrackin

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400 feet?

Try 3019 meters.

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-30-2012 02:58 AM  5 years agoPost 83
McKrackin

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Don't even know....

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-30-2012 02:59 AM  5 years agoPost 84
McKrackin

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Who needs regulations?
Obviously the AMA rules are working just fine.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-30-2012 03:01 AM  5 years agoPost 85
McKrackin

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That last video flew right through some airliner vapor trails....

That's commercial air lanes for those that don't know

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-30-2012 03:12 AM  5 years agoPost 86
TMoore

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We're all grateful they got it done. Personally, I've never flown on 72MHz, but I still appreciate they work they've done. Great you knew them, but what, if anything, was your role in the project?
Never flown on 72 eh, that figures. My role was small. I was on the Airtronics development team that worked on the dual conversion FM/PCM receivers that had to exist in the new environment, the Infinity 1000 Frequency Synthesized 1024 ATCP systems and I was privileged to know Jack Albrecht quite well who wrote the AMA phase in plan for 1991 narrow band radios. Jack was also on the I1000 Team. I also worked in a radio shop that narrow banded Pro-Lines, EK's, Futaba and a lot of different TX's and can tell you that there were a lot of mad folks back then because of the new rules due to the amount of money they were forced to spend to comply with the new rules. Everyone in the biz knew the pain because we were feeling it too. Spectrum analyzers weren't cheap and back then the Master tech had to have a First Class FCC license to do the work and sign off on everything that left the shop.

The Government was so naive about RC back in the day that they thought that modelers could share TX's.

It's not a matter of not having regulations but it's more a matter of having regulations that aren't so onerous as to bring the hobby to a complete halt and that is a very real danger because government isn't good at writing regulations while still allowing the free flow of commerce.

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08-30-2012 03:26 AM  5 years agoPost 87
Ace Dude

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can tell you that there were a lot of mad folks back then because of the new rules due to the amount of money they were forced to spend to comply with the new rules. Everyone in the biz knew the pain because we were feeling it too. Spectrum analyzers weren't cheap and back then the Master tech had to have a First Class FCC license to do the work and sign off on everything that left the shop.
Like it or not, that's progress. You going to blame that on the government too? I spent a fortune on my 10MHz 80286 back and the in day it was worth nothing in short order. Most new cars depreciate 50% after three years. Such is life.

  

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08-30-2012 03:46 AM  5 years agoPost 88
icanfly

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should ever a "drone" or "micro rc" disable an engine on a commercial craft then you will see some heat put on the issue.

Were it a gov faa narc/police drone, many questions will be asked provided no one is injured. A private person would receive much harsher treatment if they proved to be reckless.

If a passenger jet was involved and crashed killing everyone on board due to a drone or sophisticated MICRO rc uav operating in regulated airspace above 500ft, the shyt would hit the fan.

Naturally as "HOBBYISTS" no one want's anything advarse to happen what-so-ever.

Nice videos are posted in this thread. Aren't we glad they deregulated 2.4ghz?

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08-30-2012 04:04 AM  5 years agoPost 89
BobOD

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Wow McKrackin, those videos are freaking cool. I have to get me one of those.

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08-30-2012 04:13 AM  5 years agoPost 90
TMoore

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If a passenger jet was involved and crashed killing everyone on board due to a drone or sophisticated MICRO rc uav operating in regulated airspace above 500ft, the shyt would hit the fan.
If you apply that to the 4 commercial jets that were hijacked and 3 out of the 4 made it to their target on 9/11 why isn't commercial aviation banned for all time? How many lives have been lost in model aviation accidents? Birds are more likely to hit commercial and military aircraft than models.

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08-30-2012 04:27 AM  5 years agoPost 91
icanfly

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Better example would be the jet liner that a Canda Goosey took down in New Yark city there few years ago. How much did that micro bird weigh?

Would the engine failure in that case be more attributable to wet feathers, non combustible wet blood soaked feathers and goose flesh choking the source of oxygen just long enough to put her out. Bird strikes are common, you should see the google images on bird strikes EEyyyyOOWWW.

re 911, have you been through an airport since, security ad nauseum.

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08-30-2012 04:40 AM  5 years agoPost 92
TMoore

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For anyone that hasn't flown with 72mhz equipment, who remembers Maynard Hill? Go ahead McKrackin and tackle this one.

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08-30-2012 04:51 AM  5 years agoPost 93
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For anyone that hasn't flown with 72mhz equipment, who remembers Maynard Hill?
What made Maynard Hill famous was his accomplishments. It's amazing what one can achieve when they're focused on doing rather than complaining.

A famous CEO once said:

There are four kinds of people:

1) Those who make things happen.
2) Those to whom things happen.
3) Those who watch things happen.
4) Those who don't eve know things are happening.

The question is, which one are you?

  

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08-30-2012 04:53 AM  5 years agoPost 94
TMoore

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What made Maynard Hill famous was his accomplishments. It's amazing what one can achieve when they're focused on doing rather than complaining.
A famous CEO once said:
There are four kinds of people:
1) Those who make things happen.
2) Those to whom things happen.
3) Those who watch things happen.
4) Those who don't eve know things are happening.
The question is, which one are you?
I could ask you the same question. What have you done for the good of the hobby?

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08-30-2012 05:02 AM  5 years agoPost 95
BobOD

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Yeah but here's the problem. It's a whole lot easier to get rid of the RC hobby than to get rid of the birds. Oh, and BTW, they do take measures to get rid of the bird problem. You wouldn't like it if you were a bird.

So, here's the worry I have. Those planes in the video McKrackin posted didn't look too bad to me. Small, pretty light. Pusher props so even if they hit someone it might not be so bad. What I don't know is, how likely are they to come into contact with a full scale. And, what is the likelyhood of significant damage. AND, what is the likelihood that bigger and bigger ones would become more and more popular in an unregulated environment. I don't have the answer and I don't believe anyone posting here does (please edjucate me if so).
So, what we have here is some people who ARE breaking the rules. The AMA has stated that they are NOT endorsing the activity shown in those videos (for obvious and sensible reasons). And if we support the AMA, guess what? We should discourage such activity. We are responsible you know. When we buy a TX, we are fueling the industry which is enabling these guys to break the law. The gov is saying that activity in national airspace is NOT allowed, as I understand it. So, what we have is some people breaking the rules using some of the same equipment that we use in our hobby. So, if some unfortunate event were to happen, the conclusion would obviously be that the hobbiests are not regulating themselves in a sensible manner. And, the powers that be would look for the most painless solution. They would not be being bad or stupid, they are simply looking to prevent further unfortunate incidents.
Now let's see, we'll have to ban all comercial airline operation. WOW...did someone actually suggest that? DUH...how about we take away the bandwidth. Ban transmitters. Problem solved. Will only effect a few people playing with their toys.

As enthusiasts, we should be smarter and when we see something like this, we should say, is that a potential problem for our hobby? I don't know. Do you? Until we do know, we should not condone such a thing. Especially since we know it is already against regulations that are in place.
Next step. Who is going to do the study to determine what is and isn't acceptable risk? Who wants to fork out the expense? Not the AMA, they've made that quite clear.
Hopefully the gov will step in and work out something reasonable for us. It does look like a nifty bit of hobby fun.

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08-30-2012 05:07 AM  5 years agoPost 96
BobOD

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TMoore, I don't mean to pick on you but in one breadth you praise the AMA and what they've done. Why in the next breadth do you preach away from their recomendations? Do you understand the AMA's stance on FPV? It is quite clear that they are not comfortable with the safety of operating FPV beyond line of sight for example. They also do not endorse commercial use.
Do you not agree with the AMA?

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08-30-2012 05:15 AM  5 years agoPost 97
TMoore

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I've never advocated FPV beyond line of sight, ever. I've never advocated FPV for commercial use. My only stance in this is to make the rules make sense. If I were to fly for AP it would only be line of sight but that's me. I just don't think we need a ton of regulations right now. There's no basis for it yet,

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08-30-2012 05:38 AM  5 years agoPost 98
BobOD

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don't think we need a ton of regulations right now
Well, I must say I do agree with that. You really don't want regulation too early. That is bad for the pioneers. I think that's your main point and an excelent one it is. The trick is you don't want it too late either. That's all.

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08-30-2012 05:41 AM  5 years agoPost 99
TMoore

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Exactly, we need balance but what we don't need is a 2x4 across the forehead. DHS and TSA come to mind.

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08-30-2012 05:49 AM  5 years agoPost 100
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Well, they might just leave our hobby stuff (don't know about FPV) alone because there's plenty of "hobby" full scale aircraft out there (ultralights, kit planes, etc) that require NO licensing, if they meet certain requirements like no pax, under a certain wait, limited max speed, stall speed, etc.

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