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08-28-2012 07:30 PM  5 years agoPost 41
whoamis

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There were not rules for RC model aircraft historically, and now there are rulings & guidelines, and people have debated what they all mean...

You can get info and primary source material on that here: http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/gov.aspx

I don't have a link to the current status of commercial drone/AP operation, but IIRC it's "pending", separate from modeling (yay), and I don't recall ever seeing mention of a pilot's license.

oops, bounced it!

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08-28-2012 08:11 PM  5 years agoPost 42
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08-28-2012 08:14 PM  5 years agoPost 43
McKrackin

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The danger lies in FPV and unmanned computer operated aircraft that leave your line of site and wander off into areas that can interfere with full scale aircraft or crash into populations causing injury or property damage.

If you are flying FPV over a populated area,you should be deemed a criminal...In my opinion.

You should have to get training and permits to fly over people.
Your aircraft should be subject to inspection in such cases as well.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 08:15 PM  5 years agoPost 44
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Just to throw this in the mix. I live next to a college, and I can say with 100% certainty that there are indeed students that make "drones" as class projects. And they are using 50-90 size helis and planes to do this with in most cases. Just wanted to debunk the theory that this is all a military, government, or AP thing only, as it is not. I have been invited out to watch them fly on many occasions. As a matter of fact I know they have an R-Max out there they work with on a regular basis.

Brian

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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08-28-2012 08:29 PM  5 years agoPost 45
McKrackin

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Yes you're right Brian but as of right now...the government is not interested in those.

They don't recognize them.

They aren't actually trying to regulate them....YET.

People are getting all panicky over nothing and we actually NEED the regulations and need to stop fighting it as a whole.

The spirit of the regulations are RIGHT.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 08:30 PM  5 years agoPost 46
rstekeur

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Flying a FPV over populated area's or where they can interfere will real aircraft is without a doubt stupid. There has to be some control. No one wants more government regulation, but who's going to scream about regulation if they had had someone take a 10 minute video outside their bedroom window, or loses control tiring to video a sporting event and a 8lb heli with 700mm blades fly’s into a crowd of people. I find FPV fascinating, but I think the dangers far outweigh the benefits

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day

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08-28-2012 08:34 PM  5 years agoPost 47
McKrackin

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FPV is cool no doubt.
Chasing wild animals across the plains or shooting awesome shots flying down a river or through the jungle.
There are millions of acres around me I'd like to get some FPV video of.

But over people....that should be a crime.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 08:39 PM  5 years agoPost 48
BobOD

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and I can say with 100% certainty that there are indeed students that make "drones" as class projects.
If they are operating them within "line of sight", They should be fine. If not, and they are flying in the national airspace, then they are breaking the law. That's how I understand it.
Pending further refinement of the laws pertaining commercial or non-"line of sight" operation.

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08-28-2012 08:50 PM  5 years agoPost 49
Stephen Born

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But over people....that should be a crime.
+ 1 ^^ Agreed.

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08-28-2012 09:04 PM  5 years agoPost 50
InvertedDude

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08-29-2012 02:05 AM  5 years agoPost 51
Wave

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What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?
Sort of like the responsible drunk knuckleheads tooling around IRCHA in golf carts ?

I agree... next year undercover police officers should be invited in to IRCHA to issue DUI's to said responsible individuals.

The less government concept is a pipe dream given the reckless nature of mankind.

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08-29-2012 02:20 AM  5 years agoPost 52
Noobyflyer

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Oh yeah, nothing will make the event better than undercover cops monitoring cart drivers with breathalizers and handcuffs.

Come to IRCHA and win a free trip to the slammer and required court appearance back cause you sipped on a Bud while watching the show in your golf cart.

Sounds like a great idea Wave. What else ya got?

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08-29-2012 02:59 AM  5 years agoPost 53
BobOD

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Maybe Wave doesn't like to drink and drive. Perhaps he'll be better off if there's fewer drunks running into people.

Honestly, I enjoy knocking the gov as much as anyone. But, push comes to shove, I can't help but remind myself that I'm healthy, happy, have all I need and much of what I want. Things may not be at their best and could always be imporved. But, ignoring issues for the sake of letting the kids go to bed with their candy because that's what they want probably wouldn't work out so good.

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08-29-2012 03:10 AM  5 years agoPost 54
BobOD

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And BTW GetToDaChopper, that was a perfect example.
Who really thinks we wouldn't have been better off if the government would've stepped in and kept that song from hitting the public?

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08-29-2012 04:34 AM  5 years agoPost 55
rexxigpilot

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Actually BobOD, that song was very popular back in the early 60's when everyone wore psychedelic bell bottoms and tie-dyed shirts. It was a song that could get a young man laid, or so I've been told by older relatives. Don't be too hard on the Capenters.

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08-29-2012 04:39 AM  5 years agoPost 56
BobOD

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Yeah I know...I was thinking that song probably put me here. Thus my comment. LOL

Anyway, I'm more a Grace Slick kinda guy.
Peace.

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08-29-2012 04:46 AM  5 years agoPost 57
rexxigpilot

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Just like all the other "the sky is falling" vs "we need regulation" threads about FPV and drones, a key point is missing when someone tries to start a panic about collisions with full scale aircraft. The fact is that full scale are required to keep 500 ft minimum AGL in the vicinty of people and manmade structures(Class G navigable uncontrolled airspace). In any populated area that translates to above 500ft period except take off and landing. So, if someone wants to fly a model with a camera in FPV mode at 400 feet or less, it is not really plausible to have a collision with a full scale aircraft. Most FPV is done at much lower altitudes anyway so you can actually see things on the ground.

This brings us back to the real danger, failure of the aircraft and the potential for harm to people and property on the ground. Again, a weight restriction and aircraft certification would go a long way to prevent these situations from happening.

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08-29-2012 04:47 AM  5 years agoPost 58
rexxigpilot

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+1 Airplane! Starship!

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08-29-2012 06:48 AM  5 years agoPost 59
Wave

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Just like all the other "the sky is falling" vs "we need regulation" threads about FPV and drones, a key point is missing when someone tries to start a panic about collisions with full scale aircraft.
The only folks panicking are the commercial AP guys and anyone flying FPV who is violating AMA rules.

These guys want the AMA to lobby on there behalf for an activity that the majority of us do not engage in.

They try to instill fear and panic in our community with thread titles like "Its only just begun" , implying that our helis and planes will be regulated next unless we "stick together"....NONSENSE.

The reality is that in the future there will be more, and larger drones available to the general public. The electronics already exist to build large drones. It would be foolish to believe that government intervention would not be required to set rules and procedures governing such aircraft.

The guys that say it should be governed by "personal responsibility and accountability " , and not government, are simply advocating for anarchy.

The tea party folks have much in common with anarchists.

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08-29-2012 01:43 PM  5 years agoPost 60
Ace Dude

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The fact is that full scale are required to keep 500 ft minimum AGL in the vicinty of people and manmade structures(Class G navigable uncontrolled airspace). In any populated area that translates to above 500ft period except take off and landing. So, if someone wants to fly a model with a camera in FPV mode at 400 feet or less, it is not really plausible to have a collision with a full scale aircraft.
The more populated areas also have more airports. There are four local airports within a 30 minute drive of my location, much closer the way the crow flies. Additionally, I know three RC clubs that fly at or near these airports.

  

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