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08-27-2012 07:41 PM  5 years agoPost 21
McKrackin

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EXACTLY Wave.

+1000000000

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-27-2012 07:48 PM  5 years agoPost 22
Wave

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I think the AP guys want the majority of the RC community to support them in there quest to avoid regulations.

It ain't gonna happen. The market is such, that regulations are unavoidable at this point.

I hope the AMA understands this as well. Don't waste membership dues lobbying against something that we agree with.

The AP guys are on there own.

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08-27-2012 07:53 PM  5 years agoPost 23
whoamis

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TMoore, your acknowledged prejudices and trust issues should be balanced by more reading and research.

This is not new news; there has been a very vigorous lobbying effort by AMA (our advocacy group, our "NRA" if you will) which succeeded in keeping the interests of the hobby separate from the interests of commercial UAV industry.

While some, and I would suspect yourself, will find the results for modeling to be egregious intrusions of our rights and natural bodily fluids (the community should self-regulate safety in accordance with established community safety guidelines, e.g., the AMA safety code), the commercial community had tried to staple their interests to our own and it was very important that this not happen. So there's an advocacy win.

As I vaguely understand how this shook down, clear regulations for UAV commercial use are forthcoming, but not yet in place. This is reason for optimism in that sector, too, because any definitive regulations can be evaluated, and will remove the uncertainty that would prevent a business from investing in the technology and their prospects for being part of that future.

The FAA is not seeking to gain responsibility for the airspace, they are CHARTERED to hold responsibility for the national airspace. They conducted an open process (only open if you read it) to sort this issue out, and no AMA member or thorough reader of these boards could have missed it.

So, this doesn't really seem to be a good avenue for righteous libertarian tea-party anger. Better to go focus on how the evil liberals created Hurricane Isaac.

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08-27-2012 07:53 PM  5 years agoPost 24
McKrackin

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I hope the AMA understands this as well. Don't waste membership dues lobbying against something that we agree with.
Amen brother

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-27-2012 07:57 PM  5 years agoPost 25
TMoore

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TMoore, your acknowledged prejudices and trust issues should be balanced by more reading and research.
This is not new news; there has been a very vigorous lobbying effort by AMA (our advocacy group, our "NRA" if you will) which succeeded in keeping the interests of the hobby separate from the interests of commercial UAV industry.
While some, and I would suspect yourself, will find the results for modeling to be egregious intrusions of our rights and natural bodily fluids (the community should self-regulate safety in accordance with established community safety guidelines, e.g., the AMA safety code), the commercial community had tried to staple their interests to our own and it was very important that this not happen. So there's an advocacy win.
As I vaguely understand how this shook down, clear regulations for UAV commercial use are forthcoming, but not yet in place. This is reason for optimism in that sector, too, because any definitive regulations can be evaluated, and will remove the uncertainty that would prevent a business from investing in the technology and their prospects for being part of that future.
The FAA is not seeking to gain responsibility for the airspace, they are CHARTERED to hold responsibility for the national airspace. They conducted an open process (only open if you read it) to sort this issue out, and no AMA member or thorough reader of these boards could have missed it.
So, this doesn't really seem to be a good avenue for righteous libertarian tea-party anger. Better to go focus on how the evil liberals created Hurricane Isaac
Have you ever worked for the Federal Government?

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08-27-2012 07:59 PM  5 years agoPost 26
BarracudaHockey

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Simple, charge a fee for aerial photographs and you make yourself commercial and not a hobbyist.

Andy
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08-27-2012 08:11 PM  5 years agoPost 27
StarFish435

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An unregulated future drone market would be chaos. All types of yahoo's and weekend warrior's crashing into everything.

Regulations and licensing is only common sense.
See,I am not the only one who feels this way.

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08-28-2012 04:21 AM  5 years agoPost 28
rexxigpilot

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I think we need to regulate brushing of teeth too. You never know what will happen when everyone starts doing it. Toothpaste laden spit will fly everywhere. It will be chaos!

Seriously though, I can see some rules for aircraft and camera rigs over a certain weight, say 5 pounds, for commercial use. These machines do fly over people and property like cars and buildings. There is more potential for harm and damage by a heavier vehicle. Perhaps an air worthiness certificate at least.

And yes, I understand that a half pound weight falling on your head could kill you. However, these things don't fall like a stone, so they never reach the same velocity of most falling objects under gravitational acceleration. Penetration tests could be used to determine the regulated weight.

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08-28-2012 05:34 AM  5 years agoPost 29
BobOD

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I think we need to regulate brushing of teeth too.
Actually, it is regulated to some extent. Packaging/labeling requirements. What can and cannot go into the toothpaste. Hygiene where the toothpaste is made and packaged. I don't usually spend time thinking about the regs when I'm brushing my teeth....but I'm kinda glad they're there.

How about as our stuff gets outsourced to countries with lower cost manufacturing and less red tape. Next thing you know there's lead paint in your kids toys and god knows what in your toothpaste. Yeah right, self regulation works real swell.

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08-28-2012 03:33 PM  5 years agoPost 30
whoamis

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Here you go: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/..._n_1835674.html

Save some pesky reading time.

I'll keep an eye out for "the Federal Government secretly planned the drought" stuff.

oops, bounced it!

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08-28-2012 04:16 PM  5 years agoPost 31
McKrackin

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And yes, I understand that a half pound weight falling on your head could kill you. However, these things don't fall like a stone, so they never reach the same velocity of most falling objects
They are however,made of several parts that DO fall like rocks after some sort of catastrophic failure...Like say impact with another unlicensed and unregulated drone.

And god forbid it goes in the path of a full scale aircraft and blows through the windshield killing the pilot instantly and dropping a two ton aircraft downtown.

Sure,the little camera drone is only going 20 mph but the full scale could be going hundreds of mph.

Birds have brought down jumbo jets.

Some kind of regulation is called for if people are going to be putting unmanned aircraft in the air out of line of sight and over populated areas.

Put aside your love of your toys and distrust of the government and think of the big picture.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 04:20 PM  5 years agoPost 32
McKrackin

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Let's just fly what we want where we want...

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 04:39 PM  5 years agoPost 33
BarracudaHockey

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And that happened with the plane in full view of the pilot and a useless spotter.

Oh yea, the full scale guy was acting like an idiot as well.

Andy
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08-28-2012 04:42 PM  5 years agoPost 34
McKrackin

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Just a visual and no opinion on fault.

But if your heli is OUT OF SIGHT....what's a spotter going to help with?

There HAS TO BE regulations on when and where these UAV are and who's controlling them.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-28-2012 04:48 PM  5 years agoPost 35
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There HAS TO BE regulations
I didn't say it....

  

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08-28-2012 04:59 PM  5 years agoPost 36
Stephen Born

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I think the AP guys want the majority of the RC community to support them in there quest to avoid regulations.
I support the RC community as a WHOLE. I support the hobby by my yearly AMA dues, assisting pilots in forums, written articles, and giving away heli parts to many pilots who need them here on RR. In addition, my sponsorship gives me additional motivation to assist. If I do not know an answer to a question, I will find someone who does.

This hobby is not about YOU or ME, but rather WE.
The AP guys are on there own.
Thanks.

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08-28-2012 05:16 PM  5 years agoPost 37
FireNWater

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Another aspect of this is your privacy. Who controls the airspace above your house, over your back yard, outside your teenage daughter's window? . . . .
.

Buy Cheap, Buy Twice . . .

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08-28-2012 05:50 PM  5 years agoPost 38
Ace Dude

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Wasn't the whole regulation thing beat to death a few weeks ago in another thread until someone had their pitch curve adjusted?

  

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08-28-2012 06:11 PM  5 years agoPost 39
BobOD

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Birds have brought down jumbo jets.
And please note that most birds would rather avoid the jumbo jet....else it would probably happen more often.

Actually, I see the lure of FPV and welcome the opportunity to enjoy it as a hobby. But, I also understand the danger of letting it go too far unrestricted. Perhaps if there are limits to weight and size and required safety measures (park flier like planes with pusher props only just for an example). Otherwise, it seems to go far beyond everything I have been taught about safely operating RC aircraft.

Team POP Secret

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08-28-2012 06:34 PM  5 years agoPost 40
ticedoff8

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Correct me if I am wrong (and I know you will):
If you are a hobbyist RC flying anything (3D, fixed wing, conventional heli, quad, FPV - whatever) there are established rules & regulations that have to be followed. Weight, max altitude, rules around airports - etc.
We've been following them for ages.

If you are CHARGING a fee for a service (based on an RC aircraft), you need a conventional, FAA granted, Commercial Pilots license.
It doesn't matter if you are taking pictures of houses (real estate), video surveillance (police watching a crack house) or movie production - if you are getting paid, you need a Commercial Pilots license.

And, you need to follow all the airspace rules associated. You need to be in radio communications if needed, you need to file a flight plan (if needed), you have to have a transponder - etc.

At that point, you are flying in some form of regulated airspace in a commercial aircraft, and you have to follow the well established rules.

Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
Fake News will be the downfall of our Republic!

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