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09-01-2012 05:22 AM  5 years agoPost 21
Jaymac26

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Does anyone know where to get jr260 parts online?

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09-01-2012 08:51 PM  5 years agoPost 22
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09-05-2012 03:43 AM  5 years agoPost 23
Jaymac26

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Thanks for the info!

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09-05-2012 06:05 PM  5 years agoPost 24
IFlyEm

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@i-fly-aerials

I totally agree. I guess it's easy to stay in business when you take just under $500,000.00 in investment capital then immediately change the business name and steal the money.

You are right....this guy IS a piece of work. Prison is where John should be.

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09-05-2012 06:08 PM  5 years agoPost 25
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I totally agree. I guess it's easy to stay in business when you take just under $500,000.00 in investment capital then immediately change the business name and steal the money.
You are right....this guy IS a piece of work. Prison is where John should be.
IFLYEM,
I Would love to see some proof of that, any links to online to look at? Thanks!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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09-05-2012 06:17 PM  5 years agoPost 26
IFlyEm

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I can look for old posts. Essentially what happened was that John needed investment capital to keep Airfoil Helicam going. So a good friend of mine invested in the neighborhood of $470,000 into the business. John then almost immediately started selling helicopters under a new name and stopped producing under Airfoil Helicam. Now my friend screwed up by not having a no compete clause signed. So Airfoil Helicam goes under and is spun into Airfoil Aerial Systems or whatever. Just proves you can't trust anyone. Technically John didn't do anything "illegal" but he absolutely possesses no ethics whatsoever. If you choose to do business with a man like this keep your expectations low.

My friend has talked to an attorney about a civil suit and still may pursue that at some point but in the last couple years his construction business went bankrupt and he is working on rebuilding that at this time.

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09-05-2012 06:25 PM  5 years agoPost 27
IFlyEm

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Here is a thread that discusses the partnership:
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t127464p1/

There is more info if you search Hawkeye Skycam.

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09-05-2012 06:38 PM  5 years agoPost 28
Stephen Born

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Contact info:

Name: Hawkeye Skycam
Street: 2942 Rustic Ridge Road Northeast
Iowa City, ia 52240-7913
Phone: (319) 338-4188

Seems their out of business.

Here is Hawkeye SkyCam profile:

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/...nfo&userid=7720

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09-05-2012 06:52 PM  5 years agoPost 29
IFlyEm

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He's out of business because John stole his money. The agreement was that Tim would front the cash and John would do the RD.

John left Tim high and dry and stole almost a half million dollars from him.

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09-05-2012 06:55 PM  5 years agoPost 30
i-fly-aerials

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Very interesting. Again, a little late for my personal well-being, but hopefully is saves someone as the hassle and scam of dealin with this guy. I've gotten a few PM's as well about how he sues everyone too!

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09-05-2012 07:08 PM  5 years agoPost 31
Stephen Born

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I spoke with John a couple of years ago in regards to incorporating one of his (underslung) camera mount systems.

I went another route. (front mount)

However, in speaking with him, he was very helpful and was very pleasant to speak with.

I just do not know what to make of all this.

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09-05-2012 07:32 PM  5 years agoPost 32
reddragon

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He has screwed many over the years on other forums including some customers from other countries. Customers have paid for items and he sent part of the order or none at all and kept saying it was shipped. There should be a wealth of information out there.

http://www.aplanding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3609
http://www.bbb.org/stlouis/business...ne-il-310042844
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t608660p1/
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=183341

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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09-05-2012 09:28 PM  5 years agoPost 33
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That sucks! I hope your friend does what he can legally to make him pay!

He owns {or used to} some pretty nice expensive cars, he had posted pics and videos of him driving them so maybe your friend can take those away from him!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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09-05-2012 09:59 PM  5 years agoPost 34
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Early on (and I'm talking a long time ago) I was looking into Airfoil. I got a strange vibe and decided against. Shortly after that there were a SERIES of unfortunate posts, rebuttals, unprofessional comments, attempted lawsuits, etc that John was linked to. That much bad sh*t ain't gonna land on an honest guy. Now this money scam??? I hope Tim nails him to the wall for that if that is all indeed true.

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09-05-2012 10:42 PM  5 years agoPost 35
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I wonder where all the Airfoil supporter's are at now,,, It sure has been crickets, for them here on this post, from day one,, I used to get all kinds of flack from them a couple of years ago when ever I would post something not to there standards, Sorry to hear about this Tim fellow, I sure hope he can recoupe some of his losses, Wonder why he ( John O.) doesn't advertise here any more?? I'll never miss him XGM/VGM

John Crotts
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09-05-2012 10:45 PM  5 years agoPost 36
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This goes back 6 years a go when RR was the site where we could all share, there were some good guys back in those day. We would have great discussion till John would start some stuff. Next thing you know we would be off topic and nothing but frustration because John was the authority and only Airfoil was it! I just remember as newbee he seem like real tool. Few year later this was about the time John became the authority on Tri-copers. I my self was just starting to play around with these copters too. Well he started in on how he was the only guys that builds a commercial tri-copter. I had enough so I built a heavy life tri-copter just to prove him wrong. I call it the Delta-copter, then later Purchased a copter called the nVader 600 a heavy lifter as well . Well this was the end of my time here on RR. I won't get into that.

I find John stuff lacking innovation and really has not change much in year, but people keep buying into the hype.

Nice not hear is excuses.

J

J:) :) http://elevationaerialoperation.com/index.html

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09-05-2012 10:49 PM  5 years agoPost 37
Stephen Born

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John's username has a line going through it and has no more advertisements here on RR.

What will come to all the pilots aircrafts without support of this company. It will be a tough sell.

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09-06-2012 02:07 AM  5 years agoPost 38
46Taylorcraft

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This case is new within the last couple weeks.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/...25JL2012SC993D1

Do a search on him and court cases just in his county alone. I count 23 court cases. I don't know about any of you but I don't know anyone who's got a 23 court case history in a single county.

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09-06-2012 02:18 AM  5 years agoPost 39
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09-06-2012 03:12 PM  5 years agoPost 40
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Some1 needs to tell john they closed down.
I emailed to check parts availability if i have a problem.
Email " we'll be closed 10 days each month freeing us up to shoot jobs with the units we manufacturer"

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