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09-02-2012 08:50 PM  5 years agoPost 61
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hot sauce for me please...

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09-11-2012 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 62
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2013 SpeedCup

I believe Dood flew a 50 size machine in 2011 speed cup, I dont think he was very comfortable with it, maybe he will chime in on it.
Just throwing in my 2 cents, I flew a 600E Pro in the 2011 SpeedCup. It does get small quick, but it can be done safely in a 200 meter course. I think it will be much more difficult under FAI with the extra 100 meters and that might make it nearly impossible. I like the idea of using FAI standards and I will have my TDR ready for 2013 Looking forward to it. Thanks, Jan and Santiago!

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10-14-2012 06:12 AM  5 years agoPost 63
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Just FYI, the Banshee is a regular pod and boom 700 class heli, pure Stock Class if it is powered on 12S and that rule is still in place.
The record breaking Banshee had a special fuse.

I am quite perplexed at the sudden raised bars about mods. What is the distinction between a modded heli and an Unlimited one apart from power system limitations? So a special canopy is Stock and a fuse is Unlimited? What must remain of a stock kit to still be in Stock category? The list of allowed mods can become unmanageable and rules fuzzy.

I think you are entering thin ice and am very curious as to what inspired this rule change.

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10-14-2012 06:55 AM  5 years agoPost 64
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OK, good questions.

What essentially is being said, is last years stock rules, on an FAI rules course.

We managed sucessfully last year's rules for stock class, right?
That included the homologation rule about model or special parts availability.

Banshee:
Pod and boom, check
700 E class stock, check
Using 12S, check
Readily available, I don't think so.

A limited production it is. If they start producing kits to anyone, even with a 6-8moth wait, THEN we'll say is ok.

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10-14-2012 01:51 PM  5 years agoPost 65
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I have to agree on this. As of now the Banshee is a very limited production heli available to a very limited number of people. As such it does not meet the intent of the stock class which is to provide a class that pilots can fly readily available stock machines and be competitive. The Banshee is legal in the new Modified class. This is IMO what most Banshee owners will want to be in anyway so they can take advantage of the 16s limit and make their machine really scream And, as Santiago pointed out all Banshee need to do is make the machine available as a serial production machine and it would be legal in stock.

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10-14-2012 03:50 PM  5 years agoPost 66
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The Banshee was only a comment. My questions were oriented to this:
Landing gears can be smaller and from another brand, aftermarket stiffeners, motor mounts, gears, longer booms, different brand heads, Helibug conversions, aftermarket speed canopies, etc, is ALL good for all the classes. Full speed bodies (Banshee, SFR) will qualify as Unlimited. FAI bodies ok for Nitro and Gasser class.
Think of it as a street/modified class for helicopters.
Class restrictions will now be much more open. for example you'll be able to stuff a 91 into a 50, and fly Nitro class.
As for the Banshee being Unlimited because it's a limited production run I heartily disagree. It's that, a limited run, not a non Stock 700 heli built for 50 speed thirsty clients. It's not a one of a kind built for a purpose machine as the Unlimited class ones either, it's a regular 700 designed for 3D that happens to be sold in limited quantities and go fast, sort of the TDR with less production. As in the quote above you mentioned "full speed bodies as the Banshee" I cleared it is not a full speed body in its stock form. I think the openly available rule was intended to exclude one of a kinds special projects that could fit the 12S rule and still be pure bred speed helis and is being misused if applied to a normal heli from a normal company that started with 50 being sold.

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10-14-2012 04:12 PM  5 years agoPost 67
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Marcos,

The exact rules are still a work in progress but where we are headed is two "Classes", one which is restricted to stock kits in serial production with the second being a modified class where pretty much the only restrictions are power system related and that the machine must meet the FAI spec for a helicopter. Separate prizes/awards will be given to the top electric, nitro, and gasser pilots in each class.

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10-14-2012 11:05 PM  5 years agoPost 68
marcosp

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I see Danny. So Stock is still Stock, and this mid class "Modified" how is it different from Unlimited? It's a stock kit, 12S max with whatever else as long as it's a helicopter?

Marcos

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10-15-2012 03:09 AM  5 years agoPost 69
Santiago P

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Like Danny said, the modified class that "I" envision to have as in 2011 may NOT play for 2013.

We will stay with stock and unlimited as last year, in conjuntion with the FAI course.

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10-15-2012 04:55 AM  5 years agoPost 70
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i think we should have a 2 separate prizes , 1 for nitro or gas and one for electric powered.

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10-15-2012 05:07 AM  5 years agoPost 71
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i think we should have a 2 separate prizes , 1 for nitro or gas and one for electric powered.
we did last year, and 2011, not changing that for 2013.
New: We are working to add a separate prize for Gassers.

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10-15-2012 06:41 AM  5 years agoPost 72
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I duno how you all operate. But like some people stated its not all about winning. Ill probbly enter nexy year with no hopes of winning.

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10-15-2012 06:51 AM  5 years agoPost 73
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I would be happy with 100 mph

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10-15-2012 06:54 AM  5 years agoPost 74
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It's all about the free T-shirt!!

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10-15-2012 07:09 AM  5 years agoPost 75
Volcano

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im prolly ignant, I thought my O550 did 100. It still seems fast to my goblin.
Could there be a shorter course for smaller birds?

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10-15-2012 12:53 PM  5 years agoPost 76
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i think we should have a 2 separate prizes , 1 for nitro or gas and one for electric powered.
There will be separate awards for electric, nitro, and gas in each of the two classes. This is actually much more than in 2011 or 2012.

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10-15-2012 01:20 PM  5 years agoPost 77
Santiago P

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Could there be a shorter course for smaller birds?
Absolutely not. We just cannot man two courses due to logistics.

BTW the smaller helis appear faster, but when they enter, they never are. We are yet to see one that would represent well.

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10-19-2012 03:57 PM  5 years agoPost 78
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2013 Speed Cup classes

Been working on this for the last 2 weeks.

The best way we can make things fair is to expand on the Classes.
Under each class, there are three different types: Electric, GLow, Gas.

Still a Draft, here are the classes (more details later)

Stock: Much like last year, commecially available, mass produced, bone stock helicopters. Some minor allocations for engine/motor mounts. 12s limit for electrics. Displacement restrictions for Gas and Glow TBD.

Open: Specialty, Limited Edition (low production) model helicopters, and modified machines that do not meet the requirements for stock. 12s (~50.5V) limit for electrics. Displacement restrictions for Gas and Glow TBD.

Unlimited: Speed purposed helicopters, full wrap-around fuselages. 67.2V limit electric, Displacement Limits TBD

That yields 9 awards total for the event.

Maximun entries per pilot: 3
Must use separate helicopter for each entry
Examples for Stock: Trex 700N, Avant Aurora E, Spectra G, Raptor G4
Examples for Open Class, TDR, Diabolo, Voodoo, Banshee, Helibug and Suzi Janis conversions, etc
Examples for Unlimited: Speed Banshee, SFR.

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10-20-2012 01:57 PM  5 years agoPost 79
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anyone mass produce a Chinook?

good luck everyone, wish I had something to compete with.

A quick comment on the compound 700, proper placement of a propulsion rotor would be way out back done with a torque tube fitted with a prop on its end. Or, eliminate the tail rotor completely with a rudder/vane but stay in forward flight to keep heli directional.

Someone has to run a turbine, plenty of time to prep, c'mon.

Here's how the nose prop 700 performed

Watch at YouTube

Thing is a heli has an angle of attack due to the main rotor being wedged, or tilted, forward to result in forward motion. A prop pulls the plank/whatever without an angle. In the vid the engaged prop pulls the heli in a straight line away from the rotor angle and subsequently nose down therefore the saves.

I will say the idea is functional but for one flaw. The design will depend on the perfect correlation of main disc angle/highest forward speed angle, and the prop angle adjusted to it at 90 degree. The prop would be better as a pusher behind the main chassis.

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10-20-2012 10:58 PM  5 years agoPost 80
Santiago P

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Turbines

They would be fun to watch

BUT

per AMA safety rules, turbines are not allowed to race or do speed events.

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