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08-30-2012 04:15 PM  5 years agoPost 41
F1 Rocket

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+1 to Rob's comments. Not everyone who competes will win or even have a chance to win. I spent 20+ years competing in AMA/FAI heli contests. For the most part I placed mid pack although I did manage a few higher placings. Guess what, I still reflect on those contests as some of the most enjoyable moments in the hobby. Yes, there are those that will not be satisfied with anything less than 1st place. Those are the guys who will be flying whatever the latest greatest speed machine is powered by the strongest motor money can buy but this will not guarantee a win. This years stock class was won with a stock TDR that had the lowest power system of all TDR's flown. The pilot out flew everyone else

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08-30-2012 04:27 PM  5 years agoPost 42
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unless Avant decides to make a stock full fuse for my helicopter--then there is no way I can even hope to compete with the other entrants.
If Avant wants to be competitive they should make a clean speed canopy for their machine. One of the reasons the stock class exists is to encourage the manufacturers to develop speed type machines and tuning parts. This is why we have been so strict on what types of mods can be done/run on a stock machine.

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08-30-2012 04:30 PM  5 years agoPost 43
Santiago P

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I agree with Danny and Rob, being there is as much fun as winning it, winning just means you get to blow out the candles, but everyone gets cake.
"only a TDR with a Kosmik 200 and a Scorpion 4545 can win"
The winner of Stock electric, Stefan Segerer, had what looked like an old Jazz and a much lesser motor than the other top six?

Next year, aftermarket speed canopies will be legal. More details later.

The classes, still preliminary, will be as follows:

1. Nitro (120cu in limit)
2. Gassers (if we find a class sponsor) 38cc limit
3. Electric pod and boom, 12S or 52volt limit
4. Unlimited (speed full bodies, over 52V or over 38cc)

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08-30-2012 04:43 PM  5 years agoPost 44
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I think this is exciting. I need to look over the rules to see what class I could run next year.

The one thing you don't want is for this to turn into some kind of NASCAR event with "spec" machines. I like the all out F1 idea and a "stock" class for those that aren't highly modified or however the rules are written. If you look at most forms of motorsports, aerobatics, etc, there are usually two or three manufacturers that rise above the rest. It happens to be the same with the Speed Cup. Some airframes are geared more towards speed than scale, 3D or FAI style flying. The Aurora is a great all around machine, but wasn't purpose built for the Speed Cup. Neither was my Synergy, but that is probably what I would run next year if I had to make a decision today.

Not to keep stirring the pot Justin, but the ideas you have for a winged/ducted fan/rocket powered aircraft are great and I think you should experiment with it. However, these designs really don't have any place in a helicopter speed event. I would argue that the T-Rex in previous posts is also outside of the spirit of what fundamentally describes a helicopter. If there is enough interest, I am sure there could be a hybrid class, which is really what these machines with forward propulsion devices are.

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08-30-2012 05:38 PM  5 years agoPost 45
Frank Bostwick

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Anyone who witnessed the multiple 150mph fly byes during the IRCHA giveaways KNOWS next years speed contest is gonna Rock!
Man was that Impressive or what?

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08-30-2012 05:54 PM  5 years agoPost 46
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Well, even if nobody agrees with me, it's still a good discussion we're having.

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08-30-2012 06:28 PM  5 years agoPost 47
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I knew going in this year I would be at the back of the pack with a 10 year or so old Freya. I did it for the experience, fun, a chance to meet some new faces, a free T shirt, and a chance to win a cool prize, BTW thanks to Curtis Youngblood for donating the Radix blades that I did win. I had a great time, met some new people and plan to enter next year. I think the only thing holding me back this year was the fact that I filled my fuel tank all the way up. 2013 Im comin in with half tank so watch out!
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08-30-2012 06:32 PM  5 years agoPost 48
Darren Lee

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a free T shirt
Which reminds me, I never got one. When were they handed out?

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08-30-2012 06:40 PM  5 years agoPost 49
RyeGuy83

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Willing to volunteer

Santiago,

I helped you out in the speed run for 2010. I can help with Registration for IRCHA 2013. Just let me know which day it will be ASAP, as I also volunteer for other positions throughout the Jamboree.

Thanks

Ryan Linsner

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08-30-2012 07:10 PM  5 years agoPost 50
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Next year, aftermarket speed canopies will be legal. More details later.
I think this may be helpful. It could be stock mechanics, but anything for a canopy.

  

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08-30-2012 07:50 PM  5 years agoPost 51
Santiago P

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The one thing you don't want is for this to turn into some kind of NASCAR event with "spec" machines.
Mechanics will no longer need to be "stock" as we specified this year.

Landing gears can be smaller and from another brand, aftermarket stiffeners, motor mounts, gears, longer booms, different brand heads, Helibug conversions, aftermarket speed canopies, etc, is ALL good for all the classes. Full speed bodies (Banshee, SFR) will qualify as Unlimited. FAI bodies ok for Nitro and Gasser class.

Think of it as a street/modified class for helicopters.

Class restrictions will now be much more open. for example you'll be able to stuff a 91 into a 50, and fly Nitro class.

By the way, DONT GO CRAZY with what is been said now. The class definitions will be posted as official, hopefully by Christmas time.

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08-30-2012 09:40 PM  5 years agoPost 52
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Has any thought been given to the possibility of having class(es) by all up weight? Perhaps having a few classes by weight would encourage participation with some of the smaller/lighter helis in the 50/500 size. I'm not encouraging something for 450 class helis, but perhaps something for helis in the 7-9lbs range.

  

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08-30-2012 10:18 PM  5 years agoPost 53
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The 90 and 700 size machines get small quick when flying out far enough to turn around and get back within the required altitude and not be diving in past the starting gate.

I have no problem with your idea, just my thought on using a smaller size machine.

I believe Dood flew a 50 size machine in 2011 speed cup, I dont think he was very comfortable with it, maybe he will chime in on it.

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08-30-2012 11:54 PM  5 years agoPost 54
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I am not discouraging anyone from entering machines smaller than 90 or 700s, but the smaller ones are slower, and the problem becomes not having enough sponsors to back up a separate smaller class.

It is a big job to sustain 3 Classes as we already are, and the event is conducted over the 2 days with tech inspection and speed runs, and only 4hrs (11am to 3pm) to fly due to the sun.

Not sure if we will allocate folks that have dual commitments (demos and the speed runs) as this was the only glitch in the schedule this year. Perhaps we could move the Speed Runs to earlier in the week, but this could also make it worst as some folks prefer to attend only the prime days, Thursday-Fri-Sat.

The logistics are not simple. There is a lot to take in account.

For now we will stick with 3 (or 4) classes regardless of size, UNLESS, we can find a company or companies that can sponsor throphies and prizes for those smaller classes.

Santiago

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08-31-2012 01:21 AM  5 years agoPost 55
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I understand completely. I was just thinking about a way to encourage participation among those w/o a 90/700 size heli that would still be competitive.

  

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08-31-2012 03:16 AM  5 years agoPost 56
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This stuff isn't easy. The course is 200 meters long.
Here's a picture of the course. Looks short, doesn't it?

let me put it into a different perspective.

Seems much longer now, doesn't it?
If you don't practice or prepare for this, you won't do very well in the competition.

It is VERY difficult to fly this course with a . 50(600) size machine.

Don't forget, you need to overfly the course by and additional 20 or 30 meters to make the turnarounds. It's not easy to make straight lines when you can't tell which way your helicopter is going.

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08-31-2012 03:50 AM  5 years agoPost 57
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Okay, if it's not practical, then it can't be done. I was just throwing it out there for input. I do fly my 50 as out as far as I can see it, but I've never marked off 200m. I do go to the local high school track quite often so I know how far 100m is. Used to run the 100m in track.

  

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08-31-2012 04:27 AM  5 years agoPost 58
Stephen Born

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Seems much longer now, doesn't it?
If you don't practice or prepare for this, you won't do very well in the competition.
It is VERY difficult to fly this course with a . 50(600) size machine.
Don't forget, you need to overfly the course by and additional 20 or 30 meters to make the turnarounds. It's not easy to make straight lines when you can't tell which way your helicopter is going.
Agreed. Dood took me to the course at IRCHA on Thursday. Very long distance with cones at each end. The heli goes past these cones and makes a B-Line vertically.

What makes it more difficult is the "X" layout on the course. Can be confusing to the peripheral.

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09-02-2012 05:54 PM  5 years agoPost 59
Santiago P

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Gents,

Lots of discussions in the background.
We seem to be arriving to a set of classes and rules that will make sense and will be practical.

I had crow for breakfast (thanks Danny) so we will build on last year's stock classes (yummy crow) primarily based on FAI definitions and our own allowances, and we will also have a modified class along with a pure FAI class for those going after the World record.

Details will follow.

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09-02-2012 07:02 PM  5 years agoPost 60
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Yummy Crow.........tastes better with ketchup

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