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08-27-2012 10:57 PM  5 years agoPost 161
Mike Fortin

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There are announcements going on every few minutes to keep people back. Perhaps a simple line of caution tape 20 feet back from the pilots that are "on-deck" would suffice.

Parents also need to take some responsibility and if WE as pilots happen to see people moving closer than they should be then perhaps we may wish to say something in an attempt to educate them as to potential hazards.

This is pretty easy stuff to do but seemingly people would rather spectate than educate people or simply lend a helping hand.

At the Orlando Heli Blowout we had a 10' fence up to "protect" people but it's a double edged sword as it also keeps people in that are inside the fenced area. Also, if a heli loses control at 11 feet and goes over the 10 foot fence then people may say we didn't do enough by not having an 11 foot high fence.

There are more than enough of us pilots at IRCHA or other events that we can easily say something just to let people know what's going on or tell them that "hey, your child is in a dangerous area".

As a parent, I'd appreciate someone letting me and or my daughter know if I were to attend such an event.

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08-27-2012 11:02 PM  5 years agoPost 162
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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if WE as pilots happen to see people moving closer than they should be then perhaps we may wish to say something in an attempt to educate them as to potential hazards.
You do make a good point, Mike.

I personally felt that sitting back on the bleachers was a pretty darn safe spot to be. Yes, that one helicopter flew into the tent, but that was a real anomaly.

If we could just make a point to watch for little kids that are wandering up close to the flight line--that might be sufficient.

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08-27-2012 11:40 PM  5 years agoPost 163
Dood

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watch for little kids
Speaking of kids--

You know, every event you will ever go to requires that ONLY REGISTERED PILOTS are allowed into the pit area and beyond.

But not IRCHA. little kids are running around everywhere. Most hang out at center stage, because thats where dad told them to be, to fetch free swag given away by vendors.

How 'bout forget about the nets and that silly stuff.

Instead, establish a line of demarcation that ONLY REGISTERED PILOTS can cross. Registered pilots are not spectators by definition. This would keep spectators (or innocent bystanders) out of the danger zone.

and kids should NOT be left unsupervised at any time during the event.

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08-27-2012 11:42 PM  5 years agoPost 164
Stephen Born

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Speaking of kids--
You know, every event you will ever go to requires that ONLY REGISTERED PILOTS are allowed into the pit area and beyond.
But not IRCHA. little kids are running around everywhere. Most hang out at center stage, because thats where dad told them to be, to fetch free swag given away by vendors.
How 'bout forget about the nets and that silly stuff.
Instead, establish a line of demarcation that ONLY REGISTERED PILOTS can cross. Registered pilots are not spectators by definition. This would keep spectators (or innocent bystanders) out of the danger zone.
+1 ^^ Above post.

Pilots are aware of the dangers. Spectators do not.

This is the most logical post on this entire thread.

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08-27-2012 11:45 PM  5 years agoPost 165
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Dood, you hit the nail on the head man..

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08-27-2012 11:59 PM  5 years agoPost 166
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"Instead, establish a line of demarcation that ONLY REGISTERED PILOTS can cross."

+3 Dood

And if you want to cross it then register!

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08-28-2012 12:05 AM  5 years agoPost 167
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Good call Dood. 4+

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08-28-2012 12:18 AM  5 years agoPost 168
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But not IRCHA. little kids are running around everywhere. Most hang out at center stage, because thats where dad told them to be, to fetch free swag given away by vendors.
And Mike didn't say anything about that? Just a few posts ago he said:
I don't see why it's so hard for some of you to simply open your mouths if you see people doing something stupid at an event

  

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08-28-2012 12:27 AM  5 years agoPost 169
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Dood for president! He is so likeable

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08-28-2012 12:28 AM  5 years agoPost 170
Darkbird

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Man, I suggested warning signs earlier and was shot down. Then I suggest a compromise on the net issue and get shot down. I give up.
Dood, I'll add my plus to your comments as well, but isn't it already a rule for pilots only on the flightline? May be more of an issue of enforcement than any new rule needed. Same with some of the other problems.

And yes, the I.A.C. is permanent, Ace, but the jamboree is not. Other events are held on that ground when the helis aren't there, so you are still limited to something that can be tore down at the end of the event.

"Whadda ya mean "There's a loose nut behind the transmitter!"?"

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08-28-2012 12:49 AM  5 years agoPost 171
Dood

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I suggested warning signs earlier and was shot down.
Signs do nothing at IRCHA, I'm afraid. The fact that since 2010, the Road behind Site 4 is posted as ONE WAY, yet people still insist on taking the shortest way out proves this.

They can post signs and make announcements over IRCHA radio saying "no golf carts on the midway" yet people STILL insist on driving their golf carts on the midway.

They can post reserved parking signs behind the vendor tents, yet people STILL chose to park their cars behind vendor tents.

They can post a sign over by Site 3 saying it is for sport flying only, yet there were still people flying 3D over at Site 3.

They can say all they want about having to be at least 16 years old to drive a golf cart, yet we STILL see 10 year olds who aren't even sure where the brake pedal is driving them things. 95% of them are wreckless as heck, but ALL haven't the slightest clue how to yield to the right of way.

Last year, I volunteered for "flight line enforcement". That job entailed driving up and down the flight line checking for wrist bands and ensuring they were flying with a spotter, and that no more than 2 people were standing at the cone.
I found over a dozen people flying who were unregistered, and another dozen who didn't think they needed a spotter. Many of these were PRO pilots (a few household names). Their excuse, "sorry, I didn't know." I mean, c'mon man, I KNOW this isn't the first time you've ever attended a fun fly.

What it boils down to is this-- there are a lot of ****heads in this hobby that think rules don't apply to them. Others have zero integrity. -- "if I don't get caught, it's not breaking the rules"
if WE as pilots happen to see people moving closer than they should be then perhaps we may wish to say something in an attempt to educate them as to potential hazards.
Question-- How is a 'stranger' supposed to reason with an unsupervised 9 year old near center stage?
Me: Hey kid, you need to move back
9 year old: But my dad told me to stay here so I can catch Vbars and free blades.
Me: Where's your dad?
9 year old: He's way down there flying, I think.
Me: Well, you still need to move back.
9 year old: You're not my dad and I don't have to listen to you.

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08-28-2012 12:55 AM  5 years agoPost 172
Darkbird

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Like I said, comes down to enforcement on a lot of these issues. Worst part is the those in charge seem content to just look the other way if it happens to be a big name pilot. And these are the guys who should be setting an example for others.

"Whadda ya mean "There's a loose nut behind the transmitter!"?"

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08-28-2012 12:59 AM  5 years agoPost 173
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Is there no waiver when you attend? There are alot of dangerous events out there these days, some make you sign a waiver for liability reasons. The waiver will state the dangers and when signed puts the liability right back on you(us) where it belongs.

Bringing your kids to these "dangerous" events, you put them in danger they do not fully understand. If you can't take care of your kids at all times while at the event (which is highly unlikely), don't take them. "Good parenting", putting a bicycle helmet on your kid isn't going to do nothing but give you a false sense of security just like the imaginary line you must stay behind.

Instead of adding more rules, why not go over the rules already in place, and use some common sense which is becoming less common.
Perhaps with the waiver there should be a common sense quiz.

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08-28-2012 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 174
Dood

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Is there no waiver when you attend?
A waiver will not protect the reputation of our HOBBY from the scarring that a catastrophic event will inflict, should such an event occur.

People HAVE been hit by helicopters at IRCHA and other large events. Those incidents are mostly forgotten.
However, if someone is killed or severely disfigured, that will never be forgotten.

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08-28-2012 01:09 AM  5 years agoPost 175
Mike Fortin

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And like I said, the more proposed things we come up with the more they get shot down, changed around and so on.

There are some good points here but I think with just a few minor additions everything is pretty darn good.

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08-28-2012 01:13 AM  5 years agoPost 176
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Wanted to clarify/correct just a little. Looking at the event pics just posted by Mark, its clear my statement of 15' from the pilot station was not accurate. The space is more than that but still....
Im glad to at least see the discussion on the subject get farther than it has in the past.

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08-28-2012 01:27 AM  5 years agoPost 177
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And yes, the I.A.C. is permanent, Ace, but the jamboree is not. Other events are held on that ground when the helis aren't there, so you are still limited to something that can be tore down at the end of the event.
Who said it must be torn down when the event is over? Perhaps there are other events held at the IAC that could benefit from such a safety device.

  

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08-28-2012 01:28 AM  5 years agoPost 178
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Is there no waiver when you attend? There are alot of dangerous events out there these days, some make you sign a waiver for liability reasons. The waiver will state the dangers and when signed puts the liability right back on you(us) where it belongs.
Those usually don't hold up well in court.

  

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08-28-2012 01:30 AM  5 years agoPost 179
Ace Dude

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Lets stop dancing around the question FBoss asked a few pages ago:
Have we supplied reasonable protection?
The simple answer is no.

  

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08-28-2012 01:35 AM  5 years agoPost 180
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2012 AMA Safety Code:

B. RADIO CONTROL (RC)
3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place (AMA Document #706-Recommended Field Layout):

a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are
allowed at or in front of the safety line.

b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be
established.

c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for
spectators.

d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.PDF

When all else fails, read the directions!

  

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