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HelicopterRadio - Futaba FASST › Throttle Channel Output For Starting/Stopping the Timers in the 8FG: A Real Needed Feature
06-07-2012 01:40 PM  5 years agoPost 21
davehour

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I had a look to my setting. Actually you just have to go in each flight condition, and for each of them you select a different way to start the timer and it is done
Now if that were possible in the 8FG...

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06-07-2012 01:56 PM  5 years agoPost 22
GetToDaChopper

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it's not ?

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06-07-2012 02:33 PM  5 years agoPost 23
davehour

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No, that's not possible in the 8FG.

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06-07-2012 03:17 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Ron Novak

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+1 for 'A Real Needed Feature'
Let me open by agreeing that I also would like to see better timer functionality on this and alot of the radio's we use.

That said, here are my thoughts: Due to the fact that battery energy is being consumed from the time we power up the system to the time we power down, timer accuracy is still dependent on a few fundemental elements. First; battery capacity (how big a tank we got to feed from) and then; flying style (how fast we empty it).

Personally, I like the throttle stick method of timer activation. For me, it eliminates forgetting to flip a switch.

Early on in my electric flight efforts I experimented with tracking times based on flight condition use and such. What I found was that overall flight times for a given model were still most accurately determined by what I had to put back in the battery and what my flying style was that flight.
My method today is to set one overall timer triggered on the throttle stick. Flight timer length is based on what I pull from my batteries over a series of flights. I will generally pad my total times with 10-20 sec. to account for the walk to and from the flight line. In an effort to 'keep it simple' this method has served me well.

Until we have real time telemetry available on this and most all radio systems that tell you its time to land, timer functionality is about as good as its going to get.

Good flying to all,
Ron

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06-20-2012 06:33 PM  5 years agoPost 25
rtnaviman

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filou406 or Dr. Ben, could you please explain how you setup each flight condition/idle up with a start stop timer.

thanks

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06-20-2012 07:30 PM  5 years agoPost 26
filou406

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Hello
I used to do it on the t14 and now on the t18 but not sure that it works with the other futaba. once you are in the timer menu you select the normal cond and you set up a start with the stick at a certain position. Then you go to the idle up cond and you set the time on without any link to a switch (always on) then you go to the hold cond and you turn off the timer. like this the way to turn on the timer is different for each cond and you could be accurate on the flight time

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06-20-2012 09:44 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Hotwings

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my 8fg works perfectly, timer off in hold and on in idle 1 and 2, timer only works when hold is Off, as i start my electrics in idle 1, by swithing TH Off this works perfect, no need to take off or land in normal!!

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06-20-2012 11:48 PM  5 years agoPost 28
davehour

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Each to its own, but it would be so easy regardless of what mode or flight condition is used to takeoff or land the heli, if the timers could be just set by a throttle output in the 8FG...

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06-26-2012 03:56 PM  5 years agoPost 29
beans07

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I asked for this feature 2 times on facebook and never got a reply from Futaba.

I used to fly a DX8 which you could set a timer for a throttle %. When you reach this throttle % the timer starts and doesn't stop until you get bellow this %.

So for my electrics is would not run in hold, it would only run when I either spooled up in normal mode or flicked to idle1/2 from throttle hold.

It can't be that hard to implement.

I think the 10CG had this feature possibly?

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06-28-2012 06:30 AM  5 years agoPost 30
GetToDaChopper

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i know i have mine setup so it's off when the throttle is at 0% and on for anything above 0% in all flight modes from "NORMAL" to "IDLEUP3" this works very good for keeping track of time.

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06-28-2012 06:41 PM  5 years agoPost 31
kcordell

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Using the throttle stick seams to work really well. You can set the start time at an extremely low position. Are you really at full negative (throttle stick on bottom) for any serious amount of time that it would concern you as to timing your flights? Most have a safety factor already built into their flight times anyway.

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06-28-2012 07:33 PM  5 years agoPost 32
cwright

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I have mine setup on the throttle hold switch. Seeing I fly electric and plug the battery in using throttle hold. When ready to fly come out of hold and the timer starts. It throttle hold and it stops. Every time I come out of hold the timer starts. Chuck

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06-28-2012 07:49 PM  5 years agoPost 33
davehour

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Using the throttle stick seams to work really well. You can set the start time at an extremely low position. Are you really at full negative (throttle stick on bottom) for any serious amount of time that it would concern you as to timing your flights? Most have a safety factor already built into their flight times anyway.
It does when heli is in Hold condition. The timers will keep running because the stick won't be near the timer stop position. Others have changed the way to use flight modes. Some use normal mode, some use Idle Ups and some use Hold. But if the flight modes are used in the usual way, the stick position won't be good to have a true motor running timer reference; at least in the 8FG. Many have mentioned so many workarounds and even some of them aren't accurate at all.

Futaba: Is it that hard to implement what I'm requesting? Jeez...

Using the throttle output as the reference to start-stop the timers is the only way to accurately time the motor without having to deal with switches, flight conditions, you name it.

David

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06-28-2012 08:02 PM  5 years agoPost 34
davehour

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I have mine setup on the throttle hold switch. Seeing I fly electric and plug the battery in using throttle hold. When ready to fly come out of hold and the timer starts. It throttle hold and it stops. Every time I come out of hold the timer starts. Chuck
This mode to operate the heli won't let you use the autorotation bail out feature some ESC's have. This feature disables the soft start when switching out from hold, something desirable. Do you want the soft start to kick in when bailing from an auto close to the deck?

ESC's with the autorotation bail out do this by using the difference between a 0 output from the throttle channel and a throttle output a little above 0 when Hold is switched, that still won't make the motor run.

David

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06-28-2012 10:07 PM  5 years agoPost 35
cwright

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Sorry Dave I didn't know that about auto bail out. I just use a stock Align ESC. Chuck

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07-28-2012 07:05 PM  5 years agoPost 36
cure

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First of all, sorry to necropost!

Just ended up here looking for a way to let the throttle percentage start and stop the timer on a T8FG. Can't find it. Got firmware 5.0 installed.

No go still? Dislike using the stick or a switch, the only proper way is using a throttle percentage to control it.

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07-28-2012 08:35 PM  5 years agoPost 37
davehour

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First of all, sorry to necropost!

Just ended up here looking for a way to let the throttle percentage start and stop the timer on a T8FG. Can't find it. Got firmware 5.0 installed.

No go still? Dislike using the stick or a switch, the only proper way is using a throttle percentage to control it.
THANK YOU very much Sir

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07-29-2012 12:30 PM  5 years agoPost 38
ChuckCLJ

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+1 to Davehour on this being a shortcoming that needs Futaba's attention. I have to say that this is one of the few areas that my DX8 outshines my 8FG. In my opinion Futaba should be cringing at that statement.

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08-04-2012 02:40 AM  5 years agoPost 39
darkfa8

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Yep, I just happened to be digging around and found this post. I hope Futaba gives the 8FG with telemetry that has a battery capacity meter.

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08-05-2012 09:47 AM  5 years agoPost 40
4Dee

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+1 to davehour to telling this case to futaba designers.

This is what we have been waiting for!

Easiest way to start counter is really channel output. If you use sticks and/or swithes there have to be unnecessary and complicated logic to do this.

I just wonder why Futaba guys haven't notice this or is there same problem in MX14/18 too :-(

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