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HelicopterMain Discussion › revolectrix has a Hard Deck add on coming ?!?
09-02-2012 09:05 PM  5 years agoPost 81
Nightflyr

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Hoped it helped

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09-02-2012 09:07 PM  5 years agoPost 82
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yes for sure, a really eye opener at the very least.......

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09-02-2012 10:32 PM  5 years agoPost 83
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Say your, tail or nose down 45* at 50-70MPH.. the action of the HD back to level attitude will input the opposite to level the helicopter which will also slow the directional momentum.
bull****. and not even good bull****, you just scooped it off the ground and offered it without even bothering to wrap it up pretty first.

Leveling the helicopter does not provide even the slightest "natural braking action". To reduce and stop horizontal travel, the leading edge of the rotor disk must be lifted above the path of travel. Otherwise, the only slowing comes from aerodynamic drag.

According to the product webpage, this product is incapable of arresting forward/sideways/rearward motion because it has no sensor capable of detecting such motion. If i'm wrong about this, please feel free to enlighten me.

Without a means of arresting horizontal travel, this product will not be sufficient to save an inexperienced flier from a crash and should not be advertised as such. All this product does, according to the description on the website of the company selling it is to pull out of a diving condition and level the helicopter upon breaching the programmed boundary.

In fact, both the sales page and the voice in the video confirm that once the helicopter is below the programmed deck, all the module does is restrict the attitude to the upright range.

The video itself shows several instances of the helicopter skittering around at high speed sideways below the deck as the pilot demonstrates this restricted angle. I have yet to meet the new flier (and I see a dozen a week since i started on at my LHS) who does anything other than freeze up when confronted with a helicopter running around sideways or backwards.

I do not doubt that this would be a model-saving device for someone like myself, with 3 years of flying experience looking to push on to more exciting flying styles. For someone like myself, this would be an excellent tool, because once the helicopter is upright, i can put it into any flight condition i desire it to be in regardless of which end is forwards. For someone who is just getting started, however, this device will do nothing other than turn an uncontrolled descent into an uncontrolled high-speed pass.
I taught myself long ago to always retreat skyward, long before any of these platforms were ever available.
So applying + collective is a normal action for me.
For someone like you, or like me, who learned the "hard way" and knows to bail upwards when in trouble, this system would work great. But for someone who is just entering the world of RC and does not know this, only that he bought a system to make his helicopter "uncrashable".... Well, use your imagination.

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09-02-2012 11:01 PM  5 years agoPost 84
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As you please..

As I stated earlier...wait for the field reports.

I already have 2 units flying and know exactly what they do.

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09-02-2012 11:03 PM  5 years agoPost 85
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I do not doubt that this would be a model-saving device for someone like myself, with 3 years of flying experience looking to push on to more exciting flying styles. For someone like myself, this would be an excellent tool, because once the helicopter is upright, i can put it into any flight condition i desire it to be in regardless of which end is forwards. For someone who is just getting started, however, this device will do nothing other than turn an uncontrolled descent into an uncontrolled high-speed pass.
And therein lies my problem. Thank you ShuRugal.

You are exactly right and this product is being marketed to the wrong demographic.

Thank you Nightflyer.Your input has been great.

As for the other shill,honesty would have worked.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 11:50 PM  5 years agoPost 86
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i guess we'll know how well it works for sure pretty soon when more people have them in their hands.......

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09-03-2012 12:11 AM  5 years agoPost 87
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"i guess we'll know how well it works for sure pretty soon when more people have them in their hands......."

Yes, then all of this will finally be put to rest.

And we'll see if those who need to... publicly apologize will do so.

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09-03-2012 01:30 AM  5 years agoPost 88
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When he says it will make a heli un-crashable,that's a lie.
I wanted to point out in the video that McKrackin posted, It is the camera man that say "the uncrashable helicopter" then the pilot corrects him and says "almost, almost the uncrashable helicopter." That is about 2:10 into video. I'm not sure if the pilot says it later or not. I didn't watch the entire video, the quality was bad and bothersome to me.

I would like to know, if the heli is in a fast inverted decent, say about 45deg. angle, how deep into the HD will the pilot be regaining control.

Why is the HD set at 50'?

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09-03-2012 01:54 AM  5 years agoPost 89
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The pilot said uncrashable in another thread and that is when I took notice of this product and did some research and contacted the company in private.

I hate untruthful sales people. That is my issue here.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2012 01:56 AM  5 years agoPost 90
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As for an apology from me?

Won't happen.
I have made no claims and given no false info.
Jake has lied and I called him on it.

Apologies are due for sure though.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2012 02:26 AM  5 years agoPost 91
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one more question please, why isn't the "static streamer" that the HD needs to function properly shown anywhere ? all that's shown at the website is the HD module next to a dime ?

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09-03-2012 09:09 AM  5 years agoPost 92
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"one more question please, why isn't the "static streamer" that the HD needs to function properly shown anywhere ? all that's shown at the website is the HD module next to a dime ?"

Depending on your type of installation which is explained in the manual.
Fixed wing or helicopter the metering tube is different, and requires different mounting procedures.
Also it was a choice to keep it from being copied until the patent(s) were applied for.

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09-03-2012 11:43 AM  5 years agoPost 93
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I just read this......
On a heli, CPII may input max servo travel on aileron/elevator
as well as up to +8 degrees (non-inverted recovery) or -8 degrees
(inverted recovery) collective
. Visually stunning and
aggressive, most ER's occur in 1/2 to 1 second.
so i was right the first time, the CoPilot II HD does use collective up to 8 degree + or - , now my question is does the HD keep applying collective untill the heli is back to the 50 foot (or whatever you set it to, could be 100 foot if set that way) set HD ?

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09-03-2012 12:15 PM  5 years agoPost 94
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The one question I NEED answered is can we set lower the hard deck lower than 50 ft. If not, why not?

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09-03-2012 01:19 PM  5 years agoPost 95
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nope......

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09-03-2012 01:39 PM  5 years agoPost 96
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The one question I NEED answered is can we set lower the hard deck lower than 50 ft. If not, why not?
There is one way to do it. If you fly at a field that has spaces lower than the runway, just get lower than the runway by the amount you want the lower the deck. If you want a 30 ft deck, get 20 ft below the runway, then power on the HD, then return to the runway and fly.

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09-03-2012 02:43 PM  5 years agoPost 97
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or dig a 20 foot deep arming hole in the ground !

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09-03-2012 03:49 PM  5 years agoPost 98
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I just read this......
On a heli, CPII may input max servo travel on aileron/elevator
as well as up to +8 degrees (non-inverted recovery) or -8 degrees
(inverted recovery) collective. Visually stunning and
aggressive, most ER's occur in 1/2 to 1 second.

so i was right the first time, the CoPilot II HD does use collective up to 8 degree + or - , now my question is does the HD keep applying collective untill the heli is back to the 50 foot (or whatever you set it to, could be 100 foot if set that way) set HD ?

The collective management is applied by the HD module during the recovery.
Please re-read my explanation.

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09-03-2012 03:57 PM  5 years agoPost 99
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"The one question I NEED answered is can we set lower the hard deck lower than 50 ft. If not, why not?"

The present firmware is set to a minimum of 50 feet.

As to why?
All helicopters are not equipped the same, speed of recovery and the amount of altitude loss is dependent on the hardware used on any particular helicopter.
Servo's, blades, dampeners, head, ETC.

If you wish to fly below the minimum height limit of the HD, you can setup CPII as a switchable bailout function without HD.
Which will allow the pilot to fly as close to the deck as they please.
But recovery now is now solely in the hands of the pilot being able to flip the system on and still have enough altitude for the helicopter to recover.

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09-03-2012 04:08 PM  5 years agoPost 100
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I just dont see the big attraction to something like this. What will this hobby be if the helis eventually just fly themselves and we take credit for the moves it is doing. I took pride in the hard work and dedication to getting where i am at with my helis. The learning curve was difficult (for me) and was very rewarding when finally accomplished. Maybe this tech is good for the aerial photo guys but definately not for me. I like flying on the edge and feeling the adrenaline flowing knowing if I eff up it is going down! That is part of the hobby for me! Each to their own tho. Just my opinion.

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