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09-02-2012 02:52 PM  5 years agoPost 61
GetToDaChopper

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yea i keep hearing the guy i the video repeat over and over "it does it all by it's self, i didn't do a thing" now my question is does it really do it all by it's self or not ???

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09-02-2012 03:08 PM  5 years agoPost 62
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It flips it over...That's it.

You'll see that by flipping it upright in a fast straight down dive,it actually CREATED forward momentum and the heli is traveling horizontally at the same speed it was falling.

It does nothing to stop momentum...it just changes the direction.

There's also no way to know if it will pop out of the fall nose in or side in or what....

He says it goes into forward level flight.
That's a lie and the designers have confirmed that.

When asked to do a pirouetting knife edge recovery in the video,you can hear him stumble because he doesn't know what to say...because it won't do anything about pirouetting out of control....HE stopped the piro when it got to HD.

The beta guy has told so many lies in this thread alone,the entire product line is called into question.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 03:52 PM  5 years agoPost 63
jdd1

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Hi GTDC,
You can find on Page 21 of the HD User Manual an in-depth listing of what happens during and HD ER.

Jack Doherty
CoPilot HD Beta tester

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09-02-2012 03:54 PM  5 years agoPost 64
McKrackin

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Where's the manual?
What happens down low?

You were asked that in the video....Now answer it.

If the heli is coming at you...will the HD keep it from hitting you? You said it would in the video.

Will it climb to miss you? You said it would in the video.

So tell us...here comes the heli at 5 feet and 50 mph...What will it do?

I'll tell you...It will hold the heli level and true and fly it right through you.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 04:18 PM  5 years agoPost 65
GetToDaChopper

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jack your a CoPilot HD Beta tester, all i really want to know is if the heli is going down at lets say a knife edge (or upside down, or whatever) and you let go of the controls (the tx) and the heli breaks the set HD limit will the CoPilot HD addon do whatever is needed to get the heli back above the set HD limit or is some amount of input required from the pilot to keep it from hitting the dirt ???

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09-02-2012 05:14 PM  5 years agoPost 66
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McKrackin, why are you so opposed to this new technology? It appears to work as intended. I can think of no reason or under any circumstance where the HD would make it a more dangerous heli in the hands of a newbie. If someone can't understand to use positive collective after an ER they have NO business flying a RC heli in the first place. They need simulator time or buddy box time.

Why don't you tell us all how YOU would improve upon the HD system. Do you want it to fly the heli for you? Bring it in for a landing after an ER? Give some constructive input instead of just bashing a new product and calling people liars.

You do tend to take a very negative, combative and extreme view of everything on this forum. Whether that's AP flying, the HD, you name it. In two separate threads you advocated that police should summarily shoot anyone flying an RC AP aircraft over populated areas. Don't you think that's a bit extreme? I do! Tone it down a notch and your valid/constructive points may reach more readers.

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09-02-2012 05:45 PM  5 years agoPost 67
McKrackin

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Don't take this wrong.
I think this is a very helpful piece of tech.

It will not work like the salesman here says it will though.
When he says it will keep the heli from hitting you or anyone else,that's a lie.

When he says it will make a heli un-crashable,that's a lie.

When he says it will climb out of danger,that's a lie.

Just tell people what it does and don't make stuff up to help sell it.

As for AP...I have no problem with that.
FPV flying over populated areas however is reckless and puts uninvolved people in danger for someone elses personal amusement....I think that is a crime whether it's on the books yet or not.

People who want to risk my safety for their fun are scum.
Risk your own life all you want...I do all the time....keep others out of it though.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:53 PM  5 years agoPost 68
philip 01

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once you fly it, it will make more sense.

there is a 2nd vid on that same vimeo channel of the hd with piroetting knife edge and other stuff. real time and slo mo. tricky to understand until you fly it but it works. it surprised me and i have no involvment in development, testing, or anything. just flew and filmed the 2nd vid.

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09-02-2012 06:05 PM  5 years agoPost 69
McKrackin

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The guys who need this kind of thing are not doing pirouetting knife edge passes and wouldn't know how to recover from one. Even after the HD CPII righted the heli because they wouldn't know the orientation.

The guys doing pirouetting knife edge passes don't need an auto pilot.

I think it is a cool device and it will work great in certain applications...I just think it is marketed wrong.

I also take issue with the dishonest representation by a single beta tester and his cameraman.

I have no issue with the device.
I understand its purpose and limitations.

It HAS limitations.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 06:20 PM  5 years agoPost 70
philip 01

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i cannot do piroetting knife edge maneuvers except for the ones in part 2 of the video with the device. not a beta tester. just flew it to see how it worked when filming part 2. there are several people that fly them.

jack can elaborate on the details.

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09-02-2012 06:27 PM  5 years agoPost 71
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all i really want to know is if the heli is going down at lets say a knife edge (or upside down, or whatever) and you let go of the controls (the tx) and the heli breaks the set HD limit will the CoPilot HD addon do whatever is needed to get the heli back above the set HD limit or is some amount of input required from the pilot to keep it from hitting the dirt ???

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09-02-2012 06:49 PM  5 years agoPost 72
vader869

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Sorry Mkrakin I didn't mean to get personal...i just thought we should give it a chance and see when others buy it and try it coz it would be great if it does work. Also i think after leveling out it doesn't really matter it is going away from you tail out or in, any heli pilot should be able to get it back. If not they should just stick to planes or RC buggies. I must say though the video is a bit Suss how the screen goes black when the heli gets in any real viewing distance so we can't see what the he'll is going on. All I know is that guy sounds like he is having an orgasm oooh ahhh ohhh ohhh yeah ohhhh

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09-02-2012 06:55 PM  5 years agoPost 73
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No offense taken or intended.
These forums are just interactive books to me.

The beta tester though has insulted my intelligence and you all should be so offended.

All those saves were legit and none were put on for the camera?
If so,he is the worst flyer of all time.lol....

He knew when it would take control and return it every single time.

We will have to wait for end user reviews.
I have tried the CPII and it sucks....It actually caused a few crashes when I was in total control...Infrared sensors are finicky.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 07:44 PM  5 years agoPost 74
Nightflyr

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Gentlemen,
Make your life less stressful..
Instead of listening to the "so called experts"... those who has never tested, flown or much less seen the actual hardware.

All you need do is wait till the units are available and hear the field reports for yourselves.
This will be in a very short time
I can promise you the gloom and doom portrait being painted by some will be proved quite incorrect.
And to clear up a basic misconception....
What ever attitude and speed you breach the HD, Once the leveling action occurs a natural braking action also happens.

Find flaw in this logic.....
Say your, tail or nose down 45* at 50-70MPH.. the action of the HD back to level attitude will input the opposite to level the helicopter which will also slow the directional momentum.

Will it stop it..no, but it will reduce it... Not have a runaway machine.

The posted videos show the action and reaction.
But I'm sure there will be some that will still say what ever they like.

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09-02-2012 07:50 PM  5 years agoPost 75
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Oh good.
Another biased opinion from yet another member of the testing staff.lol...

At least everything you said is true.
That's all I asked for.

Nightflyer,,,Maybe you can tell us how the unit climbs away and will prevent the heli from hitting you when it is low.

As for the "So called expert" crack...Where and when was I "so called"?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 07:51 PM  5 years agoPost 76
GetToDaChopper

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ah nightflyr, someone that knows the system, ok then just tell me this please, if the heli is going down at lets say a knife edge (or upside down, or whatever) and you let go of the controls (the tx) and the heli breaks the set HD limit will the CoPilot HD addon do whatever is needed to get the heli back above the set HD limit or is some amount of input required from the pilot to keep it from hitting the dirt ???

a yes or no will do just fine.....

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09-02-2012 07:54 PM  5 years agoPost 77
McKrackin

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The old yes or no question.lol...

Salesmen can never do that.

How many times have you asked that now GTDC?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 08:36 PM  5 years agoPost 78
Nightflyr

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ah nightflyr, someone that knows the system, ok then just tell me this please, if the heli is going down at lets say a knife edge (or upside down, or whatever) and you let go of the controls (the tx) and the heli breaks the set HD limit will the CoPilot HD addon do whatever is needed to get the heli back above the set HD limit or is some amount of input required from the pilot to keep it from hitting the dirt ???

a yes or no will do just fine.....

Ok lets break this down the way you asked..

CPII with out the HD module you will require you to release the cyclic if your flying with the system on in order to allow the system to return you to level attitude.
Then and apply + collective.. SOP flight operation for the system

If you fly it in the off state and use it as a "bailout" you need to have these 2 conditions for ER to engage.
1) The helicopter must be 45* or greater from level
2) You need to switch the system on.

In these conditions, ER or "bailout" will occur. and return the helicopter to level attitude at 2x the gain.

Again applying + collective

If however you are less than the 45* and engage the system, normal recovery will occur with the release of the cyclic.

Again applying + collective

With the HD module installed and setup correctly, the is no need to release the cyclic, but might be a good practice, the helicopter will correct its attitude to level all by itself in a ER or "bailout" mode.

If you are still below the set altitude when the HD completes the recovery, it will limit your cyclic control in order to prevent the pilot from trying to over correct and possibly hitting the ground.
I taught myself long ago to always retreat skyward, long before any of these platforms were ever available.
So applying + collective is a normal action for me.

As to collective input...
The HD will input up to 8* collective depending on attitude in order to correct attitude once the HD is breached.
Once the HD correction is completed flight control and collective is returned to the pilot.
Perhaps limited cyclic if still below the set altitude.

At which point the pilot will add + collective to ascend above the HD

If some believe that adding + collective after a recovery is an odd occurrence, there is nothing I can do about that.
Just as with any other new piece of hardware, pilots will need to learn how and why things works with it as they do.

Much the same as when FBL controllers first hit the market.
You now needed to learn how to lift off with out stirring your cyclic or chance tipping over.

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09-02-2012 08:41 PM  5 years agoPost 79
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Sounds neat, will be interesting to see it in action. Another step to further decreasing the learning curve time. I can't even count how many times I witnessed a beginner crash where this feature would've saved them.

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09-02-2012 09:01 PM  5 years agoPost 80
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I see now, it just doesn't work the way i had thought it to work when talking about it with others, but now i know........

it's funny that people in the know never said anything to correct my statement of.....
Well the best part about FMA's new hard deck !!! it lets the heli fly completely normal (if you like and set it that way) and does absolutely nothing to control the heli (again if you set it up like that in the setting) BUT if the heli "breaks" so to say the "hard deck" boundary (also settable) THEN it snaps into action as fast as a blink of an eye (around a sec) it levels the heli and adds collective to raise the heli back up and over the "hard deck" then give complete control back to the user,
which is not how it works at all.......

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