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09-02-2012 04:36 AM  5 years agoPost 41
MichiganFlyer

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You guys kill me! Here in a few weeks those of us with a year or so under our belts will let you know. My intention is to use it to get past mental blocks like tail forward flight. Learn inverted orientation inverted ff. I don't believe it is for the novice. That is what CPII by itself is for. This is more for guys like me that have barriers that this will help break.

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09-02-2012 04:37 AM  5 years agoPost 42
GetToDaChopper

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You also edited what I said in your quotes
There's absolutely never an excuse for editing someone else's quotes, period end of discussion.......

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09-02-2012 04:47 AM  5 years agoPost 43
McKrackin

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No it will not. The HD ER will stop the descent and in most cases start a momentary ascent. "Out of control" misleading.
I am not talking about straight down at 80 mph.
I am talking about losing it at 80 mph from left to right.

Will the thing stop its forward or backward speed pass? No....It will just put it in a different orientation and prolong the crash...Maybe send it off into a different time zone.

I'm not going to argue these points with someone who twists what I say and even changes the quotes to fit his reply.

Nor will I accept the word of someone who has something to gain from the sales of the item in question.

Go peddle your snake oil...I really don't care.

I tried the CPII...a couple different units actually.
It's junk and now it has an over complicated add on that will not do what it promises UNLESS the conditions are the same as your video.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:03 AM  5 years agoPost 44
jdd1

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And you changed the pitch while the module had control because...???
Don't understand you question.

YOU KNEW WHEN IT WOULD TAKE CONTROL. Did not.
You were NEVER out of control. Was too.
You have NEVER lost orientation and been saved on video. Did often.
All the miraculous saves were STAGED Were not and yes in my opinion they were miraculous. for the camera and even discussed at the moment...Watch as I lose control...WHOA...it saved me.lol.... You are a hoot. lol

Whatever.
All your heli saves were going straight down...
Showed those because those are the most difficult to recover from. That's why it stops.
What happens with some speed in a shallow inverted dive?
Explained in detail in the end of the users manual.

It becomes a shallow upright dive Incorrect,no dive. with some speed and if you were out of control,you're STILL out of control
Not likely, the pilot now see the helicopter flying level and forward. No better way to regain control.

and the heli is in a different orientation....where's the tail? Who knows....
Now it sound like you are ragging on FMA for not controlling the tail. Not a function of CPII HD.
I've heard enough from the guys with an agenda.
Now we beta testers are guys with an agenda... and I guess you don't have an agenda.

Put it in the hands of a newbie and turn them loose...That is after all what it is marketed for. Right?
And experienced pilot who want to test out new maneuvers and the list goes on and on.
You're going to hurt someone.Period.
In your opinion. IMHO, CPII HD makes the flying site much safer. It will take an out of control helicopter and put it into a safer recognizable attitude. This could easily prevent people from being harmed.

Jack Doherty
CoPilot HD Beta tester

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09-02-2012 05:09 AM  5 years agoPost 45
McKrackin

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And many other helis that should be in the dirt will continue on into the pits and crowds.

Whatever man....

You are a flat out liar now.

You were there to test it and you're telling me the dozens of times it made the recovery,you were actually out of control?
You need help far beyond a fake flight stabilization unit.

I believe your last post will shoot any semblance of credibility you thought you had right in the foot.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:10 AM  5 years agoPost 46
jdd1

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You also edited what I said in your quotes...AGAIN....
That is a lie...Flat out,no other way to interpret it.A bold face lie right in the open.

Excellent marketing tool that has worked well for their product so far.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Readers draw your own conclusions.

Jack Doherty
CoPilot HD Beta tester

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09-02-2012 05:12 AM  5 years agoPost 47
McKrackin

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In case you decide to edit that casserole of nonsense and lies.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:16 AM  5 years agoPost 48
McKrackin

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Your agenda is getting free stuff to review in exchange for favorable reviews.

What is MY agenda?
What do I gain if it doesn't sell?
What do I gain if it does?

Nothing!!!

I want honest reviews from end users who PAY for the crap.

I paid for the crap myself and it's junk...I stand to gain nothing from that.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:19 AM  5 years agoPost 49
whiskey

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Why do you care mckrakin?

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09-02-2012 05:21 AM  5 years agoPost 50
McKrackin

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It's practically false advertising....

But you're right...Unsub...

Snake oil vendors will always be around.
I have wasted my last penny on this crap company.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 05:42 AM  5 years agoPost 51
Stephen Born

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The current discussion reminds me of a certain thread opened not to long ago.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t708699p1/

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09-02-2012 07:03 AM  5 years agoPost 52
GetToDaChopper

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i have just read this.....
In order to support the Hard Deck Module, v2.37 makes substantial changes to the way the Emergency Recovery (ER) functions. The reason for the initial statement above is that Hard Deck requires ER, but ER will be disabled if the CPII does not see good 3x120 CCPM data (from the RX via the transmitter). Most notably, ER now attempts to utilize collective management, regardless of whether or not you actually tell setup you have installed the Hard Deck Module. Even if you do not use the Hard Deck Module, v2.37 and newer will conform to the inital statement above concerning 3x120 CCPM.
whereafter the latest firmware update it talks about "collective management" which makes it seem like it does take control of the collective, how much and how long i have no idea.....

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09-02-2012 07:33 AM  5 years agoPost 53
rexxigpilot

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Good catch GTDC.

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09-02-2012 08:55 AM  5 years agoPost 54
vader869

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Mckrackin your a dousch bag....stop criticizing technology innovations. If we all had your attitude we would still have steam engines..

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09-02-2012 10:46 AM  5 years agoPost 55
GetToDaChopper

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Mckrackin your a dousch bag
Whoa, hold on there dude, name calling is way outa line ! you need to take it down a notch !!!

we are all just trying to get to the truth and understand what this can and can't do, no need to get so personal.......

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09-02-2012 01:12 PM  5 years agoPost 56
FireNWater

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Mckrackin your a dousch bag
Whoa, hold on there dude, name calling is way outa line ! you need to take it down a notch !!!

we are all just trying to get to the truth and understand what this can and can't do, no need to get so personal.......
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Yeah. . . and on top of that SPELL CHECK!!!
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Buy Cheap, Buy Twice . . .

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09-02-2012 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 57
McKrackin

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Mckrackin your a dousch bag....stop criticizing technology innovations.
I'm not.
I'm calling them on the lies in their marketing and the glaring lies being told by their testing staff.

The concept is cool.

They should be honest about what it can and can't do though.

The video that the lying beta tester here refers to has about 30 saves in two minutes.

He claims they aren't staged.
How many guys fly good 3D for years,then strap on this module and be totally out of control for a two minute flight?

The control loss was faked and he says so out loud in the video.
Then here he says it's not faked or put on.

Watch the junk yourself.
Listen to the aawwww I lost control....it saved me....aawwww I lost control trying to learn backwards.....aaawwwww it saved me....

Start about 4:46....He says it will push it back up and it's impossible to hit yourself with it...That is a FLAT OUT LIE and will get someone killed.
He says right in THIS thread that it will not climb on its own.It just does what it has to to flip it over. It will not climb.

And listen to the end...If you aren't level when you try to land,it will fight you.

It's a bunch of lies....

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 01:53 PM  5 years agoPost 58
ShuRugal

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Not likely, the pilot now see the helicopter flying level and forward. No better way to regain control.
I believe this is the major point of contention. I do not see anywhere on the product info listed a linear accelerometer, or a similar sensor which would give the CP-II module information about velocity. Without velocity information, how could it possibly correct to nose-forward flight?

Can you make us another demo video showing the situation McKrackin describes? That is, an uncontrolled pass below the programmed hard deck with significant horizontal speed in a non-nose-first direction?

AMA 700159

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09-02-2012 01:53 PM  5 years agoPost 59
McKrackin

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That is jdd1 in the video by the way.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 01:56 PM  5 years agoPost 60
McKrackin

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You're right ShuRugal....The design team confirmed it.

It will not and cannot stop a pirouette or change the heading.

He tells that lie in the video too so I talked to the developers.
They said the video is not an accurate representation.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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