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09-01-2012 06:55 PM  5 years agoPost 21
McKrackin

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No but they have been confirmed by the designers and testers.

I have used other auto pilot type things,including the CPII and I know exactly what happens when a heli is out of control but cannot just crash...It goes out of control farther away and crashes out of sight.

The CPII was a POS in my experience too.

The designers have told me I am right about the negative pitch dive issue...It is a fact.

The part about newbies freezing is just human nature.
The HD module doesn't help you recover...It takes control from you COMPLETELY without warning and returns control to you just as unexpectedly....If you were inverted,the collective still is and you are in one helluva dive wondering WTH is happening.

It takes experience to regain control after a complete loss of it and the people this unit is aimed at simply don't have that experience.

The miraculous saves in the videos are piloted by 20 year vets of the hobby with 3D skills AND they know exactly when it is going to take control and exactly when it will return control.
They correct the collective stick automatically because that is exactly what they are expecting because it is what they mean to do.

Imagine someone yanking the TX from your hands,changing the helis orientation and handing the TX back to you in a powered dive....That is what happens.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2012 06:59 PM  5 years agoPost 22
rexxigpilot

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I'll wait to see how well it works. But 50 feet is too high to be useful for flying 3D where 70% of the flight is 20 feet or less. It may be intended for sport type flying and novices.

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09-01-2012 08:52 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Tyler

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Wonder...

...but if you take my tx, change the orientation, and only hand back the tx after I am above 50 feet I don't see where there is a problem, especially if the system takes control again at the 50 ft mark if I still have the wrong inputs. The system takes control again. Doesn't the system have the ability to keep the heli above 50ft, period?

Curious.

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09-01-2012 08:55 PM  5 years agoPost 24
McKrackin

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No.
If it has negative pitch,it will cover that 50 feet in a second and crash.

It has no altitude hold and no position hold.

It flips the heli upright and releases control....if your throttle stick is below 50%,it is in a powered descent.Albeit a level descent but at 25% throttle in idle up,you are going down fast.

If the heli was inverted when it hit HD...where is the stick?

IT DOES NOT CLIMB above 50 feet....It simply puts the heli skids down and if it has the speed to get through the 50 HD,it will NOT right the heli again.

Below 50 feet it justs helps stabilize the heli....All bets are off on a negative pitch dive.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2012 09:03 PM  5 years agoPost 25
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To be clear...The CPII and HD module have no control over collective....NONE.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2012 09:24 PM  5 years agoPost 26
Tyler

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There is the missing link to the chain of understanding. No pitch control. Thanks.

The helicommand SX can control collective to gain altitude whether it is upright or inverted, ultimately it gains altitude at a preprogrammed rate from mild climb to full collective climb.

I was under the impression the HD did the same.

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09-01-2012 09:43 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Stephen Born

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Tyler,

Agreed. In my opinion, nothing is comparable to the HC3-SX.

In any case, I'll give it a try...once the few bugs are worked out.

Is this the same unit that some said would change the hobby forever?

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09-01-2012 10:00 PM  5 years agoPost 28
McKrackin

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It's a little behind the times but it might be the cheapest unit of its kind now.

It is also infrared and influenced by flying through a shady spot or too close to a tree or building.

It will work great for you ASC...You have the skills to cover the shortcomings.

I just think it's the wrong system for newbies learning to fly.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2012 10:02 PM  5 years agoPost 29
McKrackin

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I will add that it is probably flat out awesome on planks.
They WANT to fly and will as long as they are level.

Helis are scared to death of heights and fight you tooth and nail the whole time trying to get on the ground.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2012 11:35 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I would like a hard deck of about 3 feet to protect against the occasional smackdown with the ground.

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09-01-2012 11:55 PM  5 years agoPost 31
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Wouldn't we all. Lol

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09-02-2012 12:53 AM  5 years agoPost 32
GetToDaChopper

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To be clear...The CPII and HD module have no control over collective....NONE.
are you 100% sure about that ? i'm not trying to say your wrong but i was under the impression that it does whatever it takes to get the heli back over the 50 foot HD including using the collective as required and then gives back control to the user once over the 50 foot mark ?

but i guess if that were true how would you ever land it with the system turned on......

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09-02-2012 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 33
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It has momentary control of collective but if it makes it through the HD...It is in a dive.

All it does is one good pitch pump.

It doesn't climb at all if it is lower than 50 feet and as a matter of fact,the HD module is disabled once it passes through the HD.

Those miraculous saves in the videos were as much the guy with the TX as it was the HD module.

Very misleading ad campaign.

I've had it out with them already and they admitted most of it.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 02:37 AM  5 years agoPost 34
GetToDaChopper

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AH-HA very enlightening !!! so it's not all that it's cracked up to be after all.......

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09-02-2012 02:55 AM  5 years agoPost 35
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It works like it says....It turns the heli upright at HD...But that's it.

If the heli is going 80 mph inverted,it will be going 80 mph upright and still out of control and if you flinch,it will be in negative pitch and diving.

It will appear to bounce off the HD but it will only climb if YOU apply positive pitch.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 04:06 AM  5 years agoPost 36
GetToDaChopper

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Well that's a lot diff then they make it seem.........

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09-02-2012 04:06 AM  5 years agoPost 37
jdd1

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It has momentary control of collective but if it makes it through the HD...It is in a dive.
I have been flying the CPII HD for over a year now and have never seen this happen. By the time control is returned to the pilot the descent is completely stopped in most cases.

All it does is one good pitch pump. Maybe two pumps if the helicopter is inverted when it crosses the HD.
One 8 deg negative and one 8 deg positive. By this time descent is usually stopped or reversed.

It doesn't climb at all if it is lower than 50 feet
True if you continually input negative collective. Basically the only thing the pilot need do when the HD triggers the ER is give positive pitch. It is just that simple.

and as a matter of fact,the HD module is disabled once it passes through the HD.
The HD module is not disabled once it passes through the HD. In fact it goes into a special stabilization mode that prevents the pilot from rolling or flipping the helicopter inverted or to a dangerously steep angled orientation that could result in a crash.

Those miraculous saves in the videos were as much the guy with the TX as it was the HD module.
This is just not correct, I was the pilot flying the Trex 500 in the video and all I did in response to the ER was add collective pitch. This is a function anyone can do. Experience really had nothing to do with it.

Very misleading ad campaign.
I don't know of anything that was misleading by the beta tester telling about what were were doing and field pilot inquiries.

I've had it out with them already and they admitted most of it.
Admitted, had it out,.... really, doesn't adjectives like that sort of make it sounds like we beta tester committed a crime. Maybe we should go to jail. Lets see now for trying to help people.

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09-02-2012 04:15 AM  5 years agoPost 38
McKrackin

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This is just not correct, I was the pilot flying the Trex 500 in the video and all I did in response to the ER was add collective pitch. This is a function anyone can do. Experience really had nothing to do with it.
And you changed the pitch while the module had control because...???

YOU KNEW WHEN IT WOULD TAKE CONTROL.
You were NEVER out of control.
You have NEVER lost orientation and been saved on video.

All the miraculous saves were STAGED for the camera and even discussed at the moment...Watch as I lose control...WHOA...it saved me.lol....

Whatever.

All your heli saves were going straight down...That's why it stops.

What happens with some speed in a shallow inverted dive?
It becomes a shallow upright dive with some speed and if you were out of control,you're STILL out of control and the heli is in a different orientation....where's the tail? Who knows....

I've heard enough from the guys with an agenda.
Put it in the hands of a newbie and turn them loose...That is after all what it is marketed for.Right?

You're going to hurt someone.Period.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 04:18 AM  5 years agoPost 39
McKrackin

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You also edited what I said in your quotes...AGAIN....

That is a lie...Flat out,no other way to interpret it.A bold face lie right in the open.

Excellent marketing tool that has worked well for their product so far.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2012 04:33 AM  5 years agoPost 40
jdd1

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It works like it says....It turns the heli upright at HD...But that's it.
That's it, if the helicopter is level above the HD. It gives complete control back to the pilot. That's what most pilots want and have been asking for, a stabilization system that doesn't interfere with their flying once an ER has completed.

If the heli is going 80 mph inverted,it will be going 80 mph upright and still out of control and if you flinch,it will be in negative pitch and diving.
No it will not. The HD ER will stop the descent and in most cases start a momentary ascent. "Out of control" misleading. As I just stated above the HD 100% control is returned to the pilot, that is if he has set it up that way in the user preferences. "Out of control", if below the HD, absolutely not out of control. It will be in a very powerful stabilization mode. "Flinch" another good adjective, carries so much meaning. Just have never flinched into an negative pitch dive.

It will appear to bounce off the HD but it will only climb if YOU apply positive pitch.
Absolutely, helicopters climb when you give sufficient positive pitch. That's the way helicopters work. "Bounce off the HD", yes, just as stated in the user manual.

Jack Doherty
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