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HelicopterMain Discussion › revolectrix has a Hard Deck add on coming ?!?
09-08-2012 04:51 AM  5 years agoPost 301
GetToDaChopper

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The Skookum hard deck module will maintain altitude and even return the heli to a tail in stationary hover before releasing control.
You can even set up the fail safe to climb to 100 feet and return home where it will hover at 10 meters.
i would add the skookum GPS to the list but i don't know if it will be out in time, i'm trying to hold off on the FBL controller as long as i dare but.....
The skookum system craps on anything else out there by a mile. Even if it cost more it's well worth it.
How do you know that ? do you have one ?
The Skookum hard deck module will maintain altitude and even return the heli to a tail in stationary hover before releasing control.
This is what he wants the heli to have !!! but who know when it will be out as it's been two years in the making......

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09-08-2012 01:34 PM  5 years agoPost 302
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Well I have a skookum on it's way which wil, be here Monday, not sure if as good as vbar in terms of how flys but many say it is. It has self level already but now when gps arrives in a few weeks you can run the gps on even the older module. It has a return to home, and you can even vary the hard deck height. So I would be pretty confident it will be better than copilot. Also less modules to worry about.

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09-08-2012 01:37 PM  5 years agoPost 303
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How does the Skookum unit determine the hard deck?

I want something which is sensitive enough to keep my piro flips from hitting the dirt when I accidentally dumb thumb it and give negative collective instead of positive collective. In other words, I need a hard deck of about 5 feet.

I honestly can't remember the last time I flew a helicopter above 50 feet altitude unless I was doing one of those long autorotations, so I don't really see the point in bringing to market a product which cannot sense the helicopter's altitude better than 50 feet. 50 feet is really high up in the sky. That is much more than 3 mistakes high. More like 6 mistakes high. Flying at that altitude makes my neck hurt.

Do any of you guys fly above 50 feet? We're talking more than twice tree-top level.

Why not ditch the pressure sensor and work on something which uses both GPS and IR or Ultrasonic sensing to create a hard deck which is actually useful in real life flying situations?

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09-08-2012 01:52 PM  5 years agoPost 304
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I agree 50ft is just too high. Pls find below the reply from skookum

We're releasing the GPS module in a matter of weeks, and a new SK-720 about a month and  a half after that.

The GPS doesn't have a set "zone" in terms of distance from the pilot, but it will return to a pre-set home point using a switch on your transmitter.  You can also set minimum alititudes that will bail your heli out if it reaches or nears that altitude, depending on your preference.

If you have anymore questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Brandon

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09-08-2012 02:57 PM  5 years ago •• Post 305 ••
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The Skookum will self level at any altitude if you flip a switch or release the sticks.

The hard deck however,is 10 meters minimum.

But the hard bail out will work as close to the ground as you want...Five feet might be pushing it though.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-08-2012 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 306
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The hard deck however,is 10 meters minimum.
10 meters (30 feet) is considerably better than 50 feet.

I really think these Skookum guys know what they are doing. I'm always impressed with their work.

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09-08-2012 04:40 PM  5 years agoPost 307
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I just dont get why people want a computer to save or fly their heli for them. Wasnt the learning curve a big part of the hobby? It was for me! Where is the reward in flying helis now? Mine as well go back to CL flying...or better yet, buy a yo yo....

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09-08-2012 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 308
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Why not ditch the pressure sensor and work on something which uses both GPS and IR or Ultrasonic sensing to create a hard deck which is actually useful in real life flying situations?
GTDC, no troll, someone who has serious considerations for ap, and 3d. A friend of mine is in the film biz for major names, as I said a major series set has been built near where I live and could use an ap guy, time is running out however. I guess in some respect it's been a good thing because your topic has divulged the 2 worthy systems of an airborn platform "HARD DECK" "bail out" be it for 3d heli, ap ship, scale.

Any insurance company worth their salt will want to know what guarantees there are regarding flight over public and property beyond a persons skill to prevent wreckage and or personal harm, blades can kill and do serious slashing. The more guarantees there are the better it is for everyone.

Flight at a distance has proven to be problematic. Guys can't judge 5 or 50 ft when a heli is 100 yards away. In another topic I've stated that shookum/Hellicommand were the only sytems worth paying attention to in the advanced market of air guidance.

A piece of advice re the purchase for your pro pilot friend, you demo'd the hellicommand, he will expect nothing short. My experience in sales has taught that what you demo is what you sell, anything else and the questions will come.

Justin is accurate in pointing out the three systems needed to guarantee a safe return of an airborn object under power, heli. gps for return to start point, ir to avoid organic/heat objects (humans, animals, trees, the ground), and ultra sonic to prevent collision with hard objects, buildings, poles. Allow user based programed minimums and mostly everything is done. (trees might be a problem).

There is one item which is not considered and will require magnetic sensors to avoid electric power lines.

Each add on adds on expense. Accidental loss of an investment by flyaway or crash is bad for business and word of mouth for all concerned.

It's great to come back to rc when so many advances are unfolding right before my eyes, however tragic in another light when some ill individuals will use technology perfected for the rc "HOBBYIST" to cause misery to innocent bystanders, the potential very real.
I just dont get why people want a computer to save or fly their heli for them. Wasnt the learning curve a big part of the hobby?
It'd be great to start out on a 600 right away (500 is good too), much more sensual than a 450 or smaller heli and less hyper to learn on. Way too expensive to be crashing even once or twice. If you could buy a box that will inhibit your heli (in even the most extreme 3d flying) from hitting a hard object, and even your friends out to watch your acrobatic prowess, then spending the same amount as another complete heli on that box would pay for itself in one save.

God bless guys, this topic has morphed into a very eye opening discussion.

All the best

I'm going to add something you'll be interested to know. Take a look at this guys rig with the cell phone recording speed, co-ordinates, and probably whatever his heart desires if an app is made for it, this is the future of helis da? Skip to 1:42 (or watch the entire short)

Watch at YouTube

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09-09-2012 01:07 AM  5 years agoPost 309
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^^^ Crazy Aussies.

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09-09-2012 11:38 PM  5 years agoPost 310
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One thing to keep in mind if you are considering getting a CoPilot II to use the HD feature, if you are using spectrum satellites or a futaba s-bus (the small 4 port type) you will not be able to use the CoPilot II untill you scrap the newer type rx in favor for the older traditional rx which uses many more wires to do the job of one........

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10-05-2012 01:36 AM  5 years agoPost 311
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And the winner is rhe "Skookum GPS" with it's inverted position hold, a 2M hard deck that may be available at some point AND it can use s-bus and sats to name but a few key things !

and about when it will be out i have read this.......
Hey I was interested in the black edition as well and received an email with some interesting news. The cost of the new black edition will be 450 (this is from skookum) it will also be released towards the end of October, possibly November. The GPS unit will be released before the new black edition and is currently ready to be released however they are still working on software issues. The goal is to have the gps released in the next couple of weeks. Again my information is literally from Skookum and I am just relaying what they have informed me of. Hope this helps.
Thanks for playing.......

By the way i could never get revolectrix to respond to ANY of my questions, oh well what are ya gona do.......

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10-05-2012 02:43 PM  5 years agoPost 312
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saw the fma at SRC
Looks like a really good tool for someone learning circuits and orientations. Also getting started into 3D

The guy would nose dive the heli at the ground and it would snap to level. Yes it drifted some because of inertia but was not headed at the ground any more. very nice

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10-05-2012 02:55 PM  5 years agoPost 313
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I was very pro RHD but that guy Nightflyr really soured me on it and revolectrix unwillingness to anwser ANY of my question didn't help matters, that was kind of a RED FLAG for me......

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10-07-2012 03:07 AM  5 years agoPost 314
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I was at SRC too and witness the demo flight of a hard deck equipped heli. As Allen said, this looks to be a great tool for someone coming into the hobby to learn orientations and circuits with no risk of crashing from pilot error. As for me, I was impressed enough to decide to purchase one. Currently installing the Co-Pilot II on one of my 550s, still need to get the Hard Deck module. For me it will be used to start learning 3D manuevers with no fear of bringing home wreckage every day. When I am proficient with a move I will put my other 550 in the air with no HD module and give it a try, and at 50' will at least have a chance to recover.
This is a great tool if purpose right.

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10-07-2012 03:32 PM  5 years agoPost 315
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there's no doubt that the Co-Pilot II plus the HD system work very well, but i just wish in this day and age that the Co-Pilot II would be spectrum satellite or futaba s-bus compatible like everything else is....

and this is just a suggestion revolectrix but you guys might want to start anwsering a few e-mails from time to time.....

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05-16-2013 09:09 PM  5 years agoPost 316
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I wonder if they improved the performance to where a 30 ft. hard deck is OK now? Anyone try the new firmware yet to test this?

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