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02-05-2012 02:16 PM  6 years agoPost 81
WHITTB

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my 2 cents
I own an fly both electric and nitro, but my nitro’s always get the bulk of my flight time. I prefer the noise and smoke of a nitro to the hassle of working with all those large lipo packs. I also do not have to worry about a nitro catching fire catching fire for no reason. I hate the smell of electrical fires. ESC manufactures have long way to go to catch up to the reliability I have experienced with a nitro engine.

Electrics are also a lot more powerful. But the extra battery weight makes them so heavy that it is difficult to reduce the head speed without sacrificing you collective response. Nitro’s are lighter and easer to tune for longer flight times and slower speeds.

I hate charging and then storage charging all the lipo packs after a trip to the field. I would much prefer to clean off nitro oil than deal with the flight packs. My nitro fuel is also safe to store in the house, storing lipos in the house is always a little scary to me.

I am not a 3D flyer yet. I do not need all the extra power offered in the 12S setups. But I do love the stability and balance that the electrics offer. No pipes hanging off the side to throw off your CG.

They both have their place in this hobby and while the Electric is on a technology ride at the moment, I think the nitro will take back some of its share of the market once all the new electric hype slows down. 90% of the RC Heli pilots do not have the skills needed to use all the extra power that the electrics can put out, but I must say that it’s a lot of fun to feel all that extra power sometimes. But on days when I am not 100%, the extra power can be a little too much.

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02-05-2012 04:32 PM  6 years agoPost 82
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@WHITTB....

Best post yet and pretty much sums up everything that interests me in the almost always pointless debate...Kudos bro.

Personal preference.

E is not wrong and nitro is most certainly not wrong nor is it going anywhere.
They are simply different hobbies with flight as common ground.
The engines are not a part of the hobby...They ARE a hobby.

All you guys that want to fly and not much else...E
All that enjoy building,tuning and maintaining an internal combustion engine...N

Not to take away from gasoline

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 83
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The engines are not a part of the hobby...They ARE a hobby.
This is part of my take also. I've always been an IC engine enthusiast and I've loved IC engines ever since I was a child.

I think it's the Rube Goldberg thing - an IC engine really is kind of a RG machine when you think about it. You build this carby thingy which mixes up air and fuel which then gets sucked in through a valve which then gets compressed by a piston which then causes the stuff to explode which then pushes the piston down which then turns a crank which then turns a gear which turns another gear which turns a.... Well, you get the idea....

I've always been fascinated by this and just the fact that it actually works lol.

With electric, it's just too simple. A magnet repulses another magnet controlled by an ESC that hopefully doesn't catch fire. Nah, too easy lol.

So nitro really gives me that sense of satisfaction of completing a flight without something exploding or seizing or coming off the machine.

I'll admit I can't let go of my electrics, so I just have to accept that I'm going to keep flying it. But nitro just has that complicated machinery thing going for it that really makes it the most fun.

Gas I havn't gotten into, but if I did it would probably hold the same fascination....

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02-05-2012 06:19 PM  6 years agoPost 84
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So nitro really gives me that sense of satisfaction of completing a flight without something exploding or seizing or coming off the machine.
Satisfaction ? or relief ?

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02-05-2012 06:31 PM  6 years agoPost 85
BobOD

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They really do all have their positives.
Although I do enjoy the smoke and noise, there is a place for the quiet flight of electrics. Which I prefer at any moment is hard to say, depends on mood, flight style, where/when flying...
Best to have both.

Then when it comes to best power, my Nitro takes it away
(although not much lighter than the electrics).

Team POP Secret

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02-05-2012 06:34 PM  6 years agoPost 86
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Satisfaction ? or relief ?
It's called accomplishment.
Something that is lost on a lot of plug and play hobbyists.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 07:11 PM  6 years agoPost 87
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Satisfaction ? or relief ?
Er.. yes. lol....

Especially in my plank it's both if I get down without anything quitting lol.

with my electric, I do admit some relief when my ICE2 ESC doesn't catch on fire lol. But still it's nothing like successfully running a nitro for 10 minutes without something bad happening. And then doing it again and again and....

Even the muffler coming off, though now that I have a Curtis MP7 fitted, that's not a problem anymore.

I guess electric's only advantages for me are a) it's very easy to do a runup on the bench with the blades off for doing trouble-shooting or setup, etc. and b) it's nice to have around in case I lose my flying site or just want to go to a park.

Nitro tends to edge out the electric for pretty much everything else for me, I think.

LS

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02-05-2012 07:42 PM  6 years agoPost 88
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Was the first heli E?

I wish I still flew!!!

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02-05-2012 09:14 PM  6 years agoPost 89
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Was the first heli E?
Actually,I think it was. AC at that.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 10:27 PM  6 years agoPost 90
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It's called accomplishment.
Something that is lost on a lot of plug and play hobbyists.
Are you really trying to pick a fight? That kind of statement is absolutely false.

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02-05-2012 10:32 PM  6 years agoPost 91
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Are you really trying to pick a fight? That kind of statement is absolutely false.
No I'm not and no that statement is not absolutely false.
Anyone that EVER claims absolutes will most often be wrong.

A lot of heli flyers are lazy...Period.
Sad but true.
There are guys here that don't build or even maintain their own helis.

I never pointed at any person or even a group.
If you think I did,the issue lies somewhere other than my statement.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 10:42 PM  6 years agoPost 92
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Anyone that EVER claims absolutes will most often be wrong.
Is that statement absolutely true?
I never pointed at any person or even a group.
Something that is lost on a lot of plug and play hobbyists.
Then, I take it, that statement has nothing directly to do with E power only "lazy hobbyists...including glow power enthusiasts?

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02-05-2012 10:45 PM  6 years agoPost 93
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Then, I take it, that statement has nothing directly to do with E power only "lazy hobbyists...including glow power enthusiasts?
If that is what you take away from my comment then...Bullseye.

However,I would "suspect" more lazy flyers would avoid nitro

Then again...after a nitro is set up properly,it requires way less time and effort than E.
I don't even think about mine until the urge hits to fly and then I flick a switch and stick in the starter....Then plop it on a shelf til next time(after re-fueling it of course)...I think it's a push

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 10:54 PM  6 years agoPost 94
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Is that statement absolutely true?
No it's not.
I never deal in absolutes.
I said "most often"

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-05-2012 11:02 PM  6 years agoPost 95
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Well, you are a bit slippery, aren't you...
However,I would "suspect" more lazy flyers would avoid nitro
My suspicions were correct, you were pointing fingers.

And I "suspect" your statement is incorrect because the learning curve is much steeper with electrics. And I believe this is why some people move away from E's, into N's, because they never really understand what it takes to keep their E equipment working properly.
Not all, but I hazard to guess most. Plus, E tech is moving fast and to keep up with the knowledge of it takes some real effort. Definitely not for lazy people.

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02-06-2012 12:22 AM  6 years agoPost 96
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My suspicions were correct, you were pointing fingers.
No.Sorry.
I was a little hasty with the submit button and had to amend the statement to include the fact that E can actually involve more time and effort.lol...

I am seriously not pointing fingers at anyone but the lazy flyers

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-06-2012 12:25 AM  6 years agoPost 97
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And I "suspect" your statement is incorrect because the learning curve is much steeper with electrics. And I believe this is why some people move away from E's, into N's, because they never really understand what it takes to keep their E equipment working properly.
That is sort of why I gravitated to nitro.
Not really an understanding issue but rather a money issue.
I do not want those bigass power supplies and chargers in my home and don't want to crash a $300 set of batteries...even though I haven't crashed in a couple years.450's and smaller not included.lol...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-06-2012 01:05 AM  6 years agoPost 98
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Actually, one of E's dirty little secrets is how complicated it actually is when one is at the n00b level. When I started researching it, I thought it was just hook up a motor, plug in a battery and go. But when I got into it, oh man.... it was easily as bad as the first time I researched nitro helis back in the 80's and 90's, if not worse.

On top of that, the 700 class was suffering from ESC-Itis at the time, when CC was having all their problems with their ICE HV line. There were only a couple of viable ESC's available period, one of them being the Kontronik for 500+ big ones. It's a great ESC (I have one and it's fantastic), but delivered a real sticker shock (so to speak) when all you wanted to do was fly your 700E around.
Fortunately CC has the HV's sorted out now, but there's still a lot to learn about motor and ESC combos before you even spool the thing up on the bench.

And I won't go into batteries again. The horror....the horror.....

So I don't think E has an advantage at all in the n00b department. It's got the same 60-grit introduction that nitro does, in my experience.

And it is nice how the fuel jug is actually lighter on the trip home than it was on the trip out. I really appreciate that since at the end of the day is when you want to lug the least stuff back into the apt. lol...

LS

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02-06-2012 01:59 AM  6 years agoPost 99
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one of E's dirty little secrets is how complicated it actually is when one is at the n00b level.
I haven't yet figured out why you keep calling it that. It's no secret that there is quite a bit to learn, it's all over the forums. It's no secret at all, and certainly no "dirty little secret". And when we start talking about noobs, the vast majority of them start on a 450 or smaller, down to a mall flyer. There really are no choices in the N dept. and those helis usually come with motor, ESC and even batts sometimes. And the small batts can be charged from the car batt, so not a whole lot more to learn than the N's in that size.

The lipo's are not all so bad to maintain as you make them out to be, just part of the learning curve, when once learned properly, not really a problem.
And it is nice how the fuel jug is actually lighter on the trip home than it was on the trip out.
And that's a big plus for the N's...huge!
Sorry, I couldn't resist, but you keep saying that and it's hardly even worth mentioning.

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02-06-2012 02:19 AM  6 years agoPost 100
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And that's a big plus for the N's...huge!
It's the principle of the thing. Lugging the support equipment around is a fairly frequent complaint about flying an E, especially a larger one like a 700. It's one of my least favorite aspects of flying my 700E also.

Nitro relieves some of that, reducing it to a fuel can and a starter. With E, you have to lug either a lot of batteries or charging equipment with you if you want to fly an equivalent amount. It's even worse if your field doesn't have 120V, you have to carry your own electricity with you in addition.

Course, this is well-covered ground and we're not talking about much new here.

LS

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