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01-25-2012 10:07 AM  6 years agoPost 61
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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A Mac will run fine (using Snow Leopard) on 2 Gigs of RAM. You need about 6 Gigs of ram to run any of the newer Windows operating sytems.

A Mac laptop will run Snow Leopard for about 5 hours on the battery. If you boot into Windows Vista, you'll get about 45 minutes battery life ON THE EXACT SAME HARDWARE.

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01-25-2012 07:51 PM  6 years agoPost 62
BDIS

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Maybe you weren't paying attention: I own a 27" MACBOOK PRO and a MAC Mini.
1. I very seldom get updates unless it's for itunes or some other program I have loaded.
If the Mac never came out with security updates I would be seriously concerned. NO ONE is that arrogant to say that their code doesn't have holes. FYI, you SHOULD be receiving Apple updates AT LEAST every quarter. If you are not, you have changed a DEFAULT setting in your OS.
2. I have had my mac like I said for about 3 years and I DO NOT RUN any anti virus software and I do run a complete system check about every other month.
Good for you. You are more than likely responsible with what you do with your machine; however to say that MACS DO NOT get viruses or spyware is very mis-informative. Unless you live in a hole in the ground this has been covered by many media outlets.
3. When I owned a pc it was always updating the security updates from windows.
Back to point 1. If your OS vender isn't looking for holes in their code I would look for another vender. Microsoft releases Patches for their OS Every second Tuesday of the month. If you were getting updates more frequently then you either had Microsoft defender or security essentials installed. (Again pretty useless to have those installed if your aren't updating them).
4. Oh BTY and how many of your 3 year outdated pc's can you sell for $500.00? your lucky if you can use them for door stops.
Seeing as how allot of run of the mill PCs sell for $500-$1000 NEW, I would say not many.
5. So you keep your PC products and while your updating every other year I'll be using mine so good luck with that PC.
I'll continue to use BOTH my MACs and my PCs and be happy each one serves its purpose.
I work in a call center with over 225 employees running dell pc's and our 2 tech guys stay busy swapping them out and pitching them in the dumpster they say it cost more to fix than what they are worth. They make excellent boat anchors if you can get the larger desktops. I could probably get you a pallet shrink wrapped with the Dell Optiplex if your in the market.
I am a Senior Network Systems Administrator for a Bank with over 15,000 PCs. Your call center has the issues they have because just like most call centers, there end users don't need power house machines, so to keep there operational costs down, they buy low end machines to save on hardware costs. This is why your tech guys are constantly swapping them out. They have a choice. They can put in high spec machines and get more usage out of them and lower your paycheck or lay folks off, Or they can do things the way they have been doing.
Oh bty try opening over a 100 programs on that pc and see how fast it runs.
what difference does it make how many apps you can run at one time?? Are you using all 100 of those apps? If you have a job where you need that much open EVEN IF YOU ARE RUNNING MACS ONLY chances are you have more than one machine. Probably multiple machines.

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01-25-2012 07:55 PM  6 years agoPost 63
BDIS

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A Mac laptop will run Snow Leopard for about 5 hours on the battery. If you boot into Windows Vista, you'll get about 45 minutes battery life ON THE EXACT SAME HARDWARE.
You may want to check your setup. I get the same battery life on my macbook regardless which OS I am booted into.

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01-25-2012 08:59 PM  6 years agoPost 64
WannaBe4D

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I am a Senior Network Systems Administrator for a Bank with over 15,000 PCs.
I'm not trying to put you on blast, or disagree with you on anything you've said, but going with the "keeping it real" theme in this thread, where in Tifton, GA or the surrounding area, do you hold this position?

I'm also an IT professional (also a Systems and Network Engineer) and really don't see how it's accurate to imply that you manage/maintain 15,000 desktops. I'm really not instigating an argument, just curious how you're accumulating your numbers.

I work for the Army (which has 1+ million computers in their inventory), but wouldn't use that number to quantify my experience or justify my position.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-26-2012 02:41 AM  6 years agoPost 65
max232

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I work for the Army (which has 1+ million computers in their inventory)
What kind of computers does the Army use?

It seems to me, as far as the security updates, why would anybody waste their time developing viruses for less than a 10% target?

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01-26-2012 03:27 AM  6 years agoPost 66
WannaBe4D

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What kind of computers does the Army use?

It seems to me, as far as the security updates, why would anybody waste their time developing viruses for less than a 10% target?
As far as manufacturers go, it depends on which command you work under, but there's a good mix of PC manufacturers (Dell, HP, IBM). I know that there's some places that use Mac's, but they are very few and far between.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-26-2012 03:58 AM  6 years agoPost 67
Shortman

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I am now going to dive in here :P. As an undergraduate who studies Computer Science and programs for a living I feel you guys all need to take a step back here.

Apple, great company, perhaps the best marketing campaign ever. Good products? Yes, but they are very overpriced when compared to similar PCs.

If you want MAC OS, buy the OS and put it on a PC. The problem with 99.99% of computer users, is the users themselves.

Case in point, PC's crash. Stop looking at porn and clicking all the links. I've used PCs for years with no anti virus protection, all I use is CCleaner and clean my internet history and registry once a day and boom, computer stays fast. Half of the virus crap made today absolutely bogs down the computer and most of the time is the reason it runs so slow. If you get a bad virus with a PC or MAC (they do get viruses believe it or not) you simply re install the OS and it cleans 99% of viruses off your computer. There is no excuse these days not to have some external hard drive or back up so in case this happens. It's 2012, time to get with the times .

I currently run and have used both Mac (imac, ipad, iphone, ipod, macbook, macbook pro) and PCs. The only thing Apple designs on their computers is the OS and the outershell (case, look) of its computers.

Apple uses Intel for its CPUs, guess what, so does PC. There are only 2 real big manufacturers of CPUs, and its Intel and AMD. Neither are owned or operated by Windows or Apple. It's like a Ford vs Chevy debate yet they both run the same engine and parts, take a look at the insides of the computer. I for one, don't put a premium on the paint or exterior of a car for 2x the value (apple).

I personally now build all my computers, and like a select few, know what a motherboard, CPU, RAM and the rest do. A PC like Asus, a company that actually manufacturers motherboards and computer hardware $ for $ is far above Apple in terms of actual hardware performance.

No where are you more overpaying then for I Macs, they are the most overpriced of Apple's products.

Here is a 27" IMAC with the following specifications...
http://store.apple.com/us/configure...uct=MC814LL%2FA

****3.1GHZ Intel QUAD CORE i5

****4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM <--- this is where you need to pay attention

****1TB storage @ 7200rpms (the RPMS determine how fast your computer
opens programs here people, this is why SSD is so awesome)

****AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB GDDR5 graphics card (notice INTEL and AMD in this machine)

Price: $1,999

Here is the "PC" version....
HP TouchSmart 610q 1065qd
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...=21-194027818-2

****Intel i7 2600 quad core processor with turbo boost up to 3.8GHZ

****10GB DDR3 1066MHz RAM

****2TB 7200 RPM Hard Drive

****1GB AMD Radeon HD 6450A graphics card

****built in blue ray player and HD LED touchscreen display

Price: $1,579

Now lets talk about this for a second...

Mac has a bigger screen 27" vs the 24" of the HP, I couldn't get a direct comparison because Imac makes a 27" and 21". The HP uses a much much faster CPU, the Intel i7 2600 is the cat's meow for CPUs currently, being overclockable past 4.4ghz on air. But that is neither here nor there. The fact is, the CPU goes to HP.

Now onto ram, one thing people dont understand, especially MAC users, is that your overpaying for RAM everytime! Do it yourself and save yourself hundreds of dollars. I have a 15.3" laptop made by Asus and installed 16GB of ram for $179! Corsair is one of the leading RAM manufacturers, Apple does not make their own special RAM. Doing it through apple would of cost me $800 according to their online website!
HP wins this category here again giving you 10GB of albeit a slight slower clocked 1066 MHz speed vs the Apples mesely 4 GB 1333MHz. You can overclock this as well btw with intel's built in software.

Harddrives are pretty simple, RPMs = speed, and they both have the same write speed, HP wins because you get 2tb, simple enough.

The graphics card is again made by the SAME manufacturer AMD. Apple uses the 6970M 1GB card vs the HP's 6450A 1GB card. Apple wins here with a slightly better graphics card.

There you have it, a side by side comparison, and this can be done for any apple computer. Honestly, if you have any know how, especially since everyone here BUILDS helicopters :P. You should build your own computer and really learn how they work. Its simple, you only need a screwdriver and maybe some thermal paste for the CPU, and you can build a computer that HP, Dell, Apple simply cannot make for cheaper or better performance.

As far as operating systems go, Linux is my preference, although I've used Windows 7 and MAC OS for programming, Linux Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mint are all great and the best part is they are free, and include everything you could need for office work.

Just my opinion, Apple makes very nice products, but they are overpriced compared to their performance, and that is all I as a gamer and programmer care about.

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01-26-2012 08:48 AM  6 years agoPost 68
Glenn Goodlett

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Nobody noticed that Apple is up over $25 today. Owning stock in Apple has shaved years off my working career.

I remember when the PC vs Apple argument began in the eighties. Not much has changed...

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01-26-2012 09:11 PM  6 years agoPost 69
Zaaaguy72

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I have noticed Glenn!!

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01-26-2012 09:16 PM  6 years agoPost 70
Sirgijoe

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meh,

some people prefer apple, some people prefer linux, and some people prefer windows.

just because you prefer something doesn't make it the right choice.
I have never had any stability issues with windows, and I have been building my own since the early 90's. There are a few windows OS's I prefer to throw out rather then use tho < ME and Vista, complete junk >

My favortie Linux OS would have to be unbuntu as of right now, was previously red hat before unbuntu.

my current machine is a PC, as stated before in my previous posts. here are my specs

df-85 Antec case
gigabyte motherboard, z68x-ud7-b3
intel i7-2600k processor
16gb G Skill ripjaw x series 1866 ddr3
corsair liquid cooling system h100
corsair psu 1200 watts
crucial 64gb SSD drive for smart response
3 x 1 tb western digital black drives
auzentech x-fi sound card
evga gtx 580 3 gb ram
3d blue ray player / burner <lightscribe>
dual layer dvd burner <lightscribe>
replaced all case fans with cooler master sickle flows
replaced stock cables with high quality rounded cables for airflow
windows 7 ultimate 64
plus a few other odds and ends like the artic silver kit, roll of electric tape and a bag of ties for cable management
2 x 24 inch wide screen monitors <Viewsonics>

I can run any game in the market as we speak on Ultra performance with no issues.

My temps are about 28c for idle and 45c for 100% load on my processor. My video card temps are 30c idle, and 65c 100% load.

never blue screened, never crashed, built it myself obviously.

system ran me about 3 grand 5 months ago when I built it.

if someone tried to offer me a trade for a mac, I would laugh. Not that I don't like mac's I just prefer mine.

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01-26-2012 11:40 PM  6 years agoPost 71
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One thing that seems common in this thread is that the guys who like their PC's built them themselves and throw out all these terms and components that the average guy doesnt understand or could appreciate. The beauty of Mac, for the regular Joe, is that it works, and works without problem or effort. If I was more knowledgeable about computers than maybe the PC would be appealing but for now I just want to open the box, plug it in, and use it everyday without problem. So far, for me, the only computer to do that is a MAC.

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01-27-2012 12:04 AM  6 years agoPost 72
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One thing I'm not seeing here is the cost of the OS that you are installing on custom built units. This is significant on Windows. It comes in all flavors and is not free by any means and this is where Microsoft takes the cake. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC/Laptop but I also like my Mac. Software is a gotcha with MS, especially in corporate.


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01-27-2012 02:32 AM  6 years agoPost 73
Sirgijoe

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since the release of OS X, there have been about $240 dollars worth up updates that a mac user had to Purchase if they wanted to stay current.

public release of OS X was in 2001.

that is actually not so bad, compared to if you had bought every release of windows, which would be up in the thousands of dollars from 2001 up till now.

in terms of cheap OS's Linux wins hands down.

Again, as I have said time and time before, there is no winner in the debate of mac versus pc versus windows, to each is their own. some people prefer one over the other.

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01-27-2012 03:05 AM  6 years agoPost 74
WannaBe4D

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that is actually not so bad, compared to if you had bought every release of windows, which would be up in the thousands of dollars from 2001 up till now.
A little fact check. This is not exactly true. Say you start with Windows XP, then upgrade to Vista (est. $110) and then you upgrade to Windows 7 (Another est. $110). You would have spent approximately $220 on total upgrades.
One thing I'm not seeing here is the cost of the OS that you are installing on custom built units. This is significant on Windows. It comes in all flavors and is not free by any means and this is where Microsoft takes the cake.
By significant cost, do you mean $100? That's all it costs to purchase an OEM license when you're building a PC, and yes, the average Joe can purchase an OEM license.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-27-2012 03:14 AM  6 years agoPost 75
Sirgijoe

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yeah, 2001 was when xp was released < end of year > but windows ME had the majority. and I didn't think about just buying the upgrades, as I never do. I always buy an OEM copy =p

Point still being either way, their is no winner, and never will be a winner in the debate of mac versus pv versus linux.

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01-27-2012 03:36 AM  6 years agoPost 76
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For the average Joe Home premium is 100 bucks. I don't buy that version. I would only buy the Pro @ 140.00 or the Ultimate at 190.00. Those are New Egg prices and are pretty competitive OEM prices. If the average Joe wants to upgrade an existing PC oem is out of the question if you want to be legal and it is quite a bit more than 100.00. Just sayin.


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01-27-2012 03:41 AM  6 years agoPost 77
WannaBe4D

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If the average Joe wants to upgrade an existing PC oem is out of the question if you want to be legal and it is quite a bit more than 100.00. Just sayin
Vista->Windows 7 upgrade = $110...You're correct, $10 bucks more an OEM

Most home users don't have a need for Pro or Ultimate so it's just a waste of money for them. Just sayin.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-27-2012 04:04 AM  6 years agoPost 78
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I guess we could go back and forth on this a lot which is interesting and educational as well. For the experienced builders and users as yourself are for the most part correct and can find a way to work around and do it for the least amount of cost. However the harsh reality is this. The average person is not capable of doing this. This is where the Geek Squad makes a killing. I've done this process for many people and get questions quite frequently on what to do with their slow or broken system for whatever reason. Almost in every case, if I don't volunteer to fix it or upgrade it, they actually go out and purchase another system with software already installed thinking they will solve the problem. This happens on a fairly frequent basis and that's the sad truth. For myself though, I can work through it. As I said, I like both.


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01-27-2012 03:24 PM  6 years agoPost 79
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CWALDO123, your post was extreamly ignorent.

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01-27-2012 06:30 PM  6 years agoPost 80
Sirgijoe

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What kind of computers does the Army use?
the Military as a whole uses Windows. not just the army.

There are people who bring in their personal macs to do work on, but they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet.

why do they use pc's?

does built by the lowest bidder ring a bell.

Most of my office pc's while I was in were dells.

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