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12-15-2003 05:48 PM  13 years agoPost 421
RotarSoft

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Guys...

Just be aware that if Customs do start sniffing around then they do have the power to go back as far as they like with delivery records.. so if they do find people have been knowingly importing stuff and skipping the vat and import duty then they can bill for all the past parcels too.... plus put a big fine on the top of it.... be careful!

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12-15-2003 07:44 PM  13 years agoPost 422
footlock

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current series on discovery about customs and excise..

cocaine smuggling , booze smuggling ,vat fraud - billions of £s lost each year......

any one know when the edition is about the poor guy that imported a servo to save £15 and done the good old goverment out of £0.79p.................................................................
Don't think they are interested really - do you ???????

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12-15-2003 07:54 PM  13 years agoPost 423
RotarSoft

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footlock

Yup.. because I know of a similar situation that have been investigated by customs very thoroughly. Secondly I know somebody who works with people who advise on importing goods into the UK as part of their job.. and they made it quite clear that if Customs do find out about it then they will investigate and trawl through the past records...

Sorry if it's not what you wanted to hear, but I'm just trying to make people aware of the facts. Skipping VAT & Duty is not something to be taken lightly and tongue in cheek.

Mark

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12-15-2003 08:00 PM  13 years agoPost 424
RotorX

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,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,,,,,, Footlock, no, nor do i to be honest, But i rather not get into a debate about it again

This is one of the reasons, the database will be completely anonoymous, I have arranged it that no one will know the identities of who put what - so you can fill it in with the knowledge that if you have had a squeeze - no one need know about but you, then its between you and you conscience,


please read what the programmer has written in my post a few back and tell us if we have missed anything - this thing will be going live soon subject to some testing from me - any adjustments, we would like to do them now

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12-15-2003 08:09 PM  13 years agoPost 425
3DGOnnabe

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mchristy,

I don't want to waste my time going through the number of VAT and duty warnings that have been issued in this thread but its getting a bit tiresome to see yet again.

A couple of points if I may.

Many of us are in business and are fully aware of the import procedures and liabilities. Many of us are not in business and are aware of the import procedures. We live in a global economy and the constant threat of gloom, doom and HM Customs and Excise won't change that.

UK prices are shameful and if the distributors and manufacturers won't address it, their market will never grow. Maybe they'll spend the money lobbying the Government to stop free trade.

Lastly, Who says that people that are importing are deliberately avoiding tax and duty? Seems to me that its still cheaper than buying from a UK outlet even if you tip the postman, VAT man and whoever else £20 each!!!! So please stop turning this into 'you have been warned' type of argument. I'm certain the vast majority of people in this community are perfectly normal, law-abiding individuals and I certainly don't see it as my place to keep telling them the law.

[color=blue]John[/color]

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12-15-2003 08:57 PM  13 years agoPost 426
RotorX

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3Dwannabe


Its a pain mate, hes entitled to his opinion and to express it until the cows come home, no one can stop him

but how about some input on the database, if you read a few back, you'll see the progress and what we have laidout, i cannot think of anything else to add, takeaway.

I bet i have said that a few times in this thread -

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12-15-2003 10:10 PM  13 years agoPost 427
3DGOnnabe

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RotorX,

I know mate but its like that same old track they keep playing over and over....

Anyway, I'll do some input (I already did - way back). More coming.

:-)

[color=blue]John[/color]

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12-15-2003 10:51 PM  13 years agoPost 428
RotorX

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I know, before long we'll be singing it as we go to work in the mornings, lol.

Look forward to some input, starting to sound like that damn robot number 5 - need input, input.

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12-15-2003 11:09 PM  13 years agoPost 429
BigChopper

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Hangggg on a miniiute

Ey up,

Ya know guys, Mark has got a point... He's not say that ordering from CH is illegal, but his point is that you're better off just getting on with it quietly, rather than stir up a hornets nest at C&E..

If you start gettin all cocky with customs then from now on they'll just be more vigilent and hammer us all with duty... so go easy or we'll all cop it!

Footlock, LOL cool reply.. but lets face it, it's always the drug smugglers that get away with it and the small fry end up paying the price - fact of life.. they'll always catch up with the people who are the easiest target (that'll be us then).

I dont think it matters how much you moan about prices.. there is no chance they'll ever come down to the retail levels of the far east.. we just dont have a big enough market and you can't expect UK shops to run on a profit margin the same as the HK guys do.. they've got the world market stitched up (and you'd have to running on small margins), not just the local county.

just my 2ps.. I can't really be arsed to get into a full blown argument over it but feel free to flame me, I'm wearing my flak jacket

chill... get out n night fly instead

Andy

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12-16-2003 12:35 PM  13 years agoPost 430
RotorX

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Bigchopper,

No one is denying that Mark has a point, but making the same point over and over and over and over - gets tiresome, make a point and move on,

Also the two largest smuggling rings have been smashed - does not really fit in with your theory, but i am sure it has merit

The database wont be anymore/less dangerous to us in terms of accountability, C&E could come to this thread and start hassling Mark Ryder for details, do you see my point! at least the database will be anonymous......................

One person has even suggested that they will call them and point them in the right direction - wont help as they wont who the individuals are........

To say that it wont make a diference - i honestly dont know, but if you read back thru much of this thread there is plenty of support for this hence why it is happening, might not change a thing, might give us and everyone else a clearer picture of what is going on with grey spending and why?
but his point is that you're better off just getting on with it quietly, rather than stir up a hornets nest at C&E..
The only ones stiring up a hornets nest are the one's threatening to grass everyone up to the customs, for what i am not sure

thanks

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12-16-2003 12:49 PM  13 years agoPost 431
RotarSoft

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RotorX,

Listening to people telling me how they managed to get away without paying any taxes or duty is getting boring to me now.. but hey.. I can live with it..

But C&E won't need to look at your database or RunRyder to find out what packages have gone where. I believe every single package coming into the UK has a label for customs purposes.. with sender and recepient details (Certainly every package I have receieved by parcel from outside the EU has). If they get tipped of about goods coming in from anywhere and escaping taxes all they need to do is run a search of their database for every product from that location and they will receive a list of all the recepients. So doesn't really matter if the database is anonymous as they probably have all the data recorded already.. they just don't know that the figures on the packaging have been interpreted incorrectly.

Mark

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12-16-2003 01:15 PM  13 years agoPost 432
Thumbpilot

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LOL
If they get tipped of about goods coming in from anywhere and escaping taxes all they need to do is run a search of their database for every product from that location and they will receive a list of all the recepients
The sheer volume of packages leaving Asia for the UK or anywhere else for that matter practically guarantees that even if C&E wanted to "audit" 0.0000001% they probably wouldn't have the time or resources to do it. So don't listen to the drone of scare mongering or the A$$hole who threatned to report us. Buy where you get best value for money and maybe sometime soon the ripoff merchants will cop on.

The fact is that UK prices ARE shameful and it is still cheaper to buy abroad even if you pay taxes.

The database is a great idea and maybe it will make the distributors or whoever is robbing us sit up and take note.

If people with planes, boats and cars did the same you bet there would be some swift action. Heli flyers are a minority.

As regards the market being small in the UK - this is BS because if the prices were fair they would be able to sell to overseas customers as well - no VAT would be charged on sales outside the EU.

It seems some people would like this thread to disappear, they are coming up with the VAT issue, legal issues and threats of reporting to custome etc, BUT the purpose of this topic is to use our collective voice to let the industry know we are unhappy with the current situation, help gather information on how much money is being spent of "grey imports" and at the end of the day hopefully the situation will improve and the LHS will have a healthy business. If this does not happen, well then at least we as consumers can avoid being ripped off by buying from abroad.

But if somebody wants get legal lets discuss price fixing, cartels etc

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12-16-2003 01:57 PM  13 years agoPost 433
RotorX

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mchristyuk,

I have tried to listen to what you have said, with a open mind, but your last 10 odd posts have been the same old BS Its as plain as the nose on my face that you are sided with the dist/importer for your own gains, Yes Mark FOR YOUR OWN GAINS, but i think that is common knowledge. that does not mean that their is no merit to what you are saying just the % is a helluva lot smaller than you are making out.

you have done nothing but try to worry people and scare them with boogieman stories, you went from being quite logical to sacremongering to outright full of it. WHY its not your moral duty to point this out to us in every page for the last 10 odd.

I jusy went thru most of your posts on this thread and it seems to me that you may as well be still working for Mcgregors, because it sure sounds like it. I remember you saying something like, while you was there you was trying to align the price policy - Mcgregors are one of the worst one's for prices, if it was not for BobJ with his name and shame policy, they would have not made a move - i bet that they have not made any cuts as drastic as the components BobJ highlighted.

This database is especially for people like Mcgregors, actucally Mark you have given me a great idea i might step the pace up a little and perhaps do a database comparison on Mcgregors prices and same components for less from anywhere BUT Mcgregors. I have some time off comming up - i might dedicate it to Mcgregors,

What do you reckon guys - might bring the price of a CS out of la la land and into reality..................

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12-16-2003 03:39 PM  13 years agoPost 434
john spain

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I just got ripped off by the vat man

£96 for a fury expert
£107 for a 9 zhp
both from ****
still saved over £200
cant moan too much

i will never spend more than £50 at my lhs again.

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12-16-2003 03:58 PM  13 years agoPost 435
RotarSoft

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Janek,

Thanks for the moral support. Unfortunately I think you are wasting your typing skills. I know I am!

Cheers

Mark

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12-16-2003 04:04 PM  13 years agoPost 436
RotorX

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Janek,

Not a few posts ago, i was telling 3Dwannabe, not to worry people can post what they like - that goes for you to, but if Mark wants to be come with the same tired line - fine, which is why things get a little heated - which they do from time to time - you comming running to defend him........let him speak for himself.....you do likewise

If he needs you to protect him, which i dont think he does - fine, and if you need to insult me because i see the BS for what it really is - fine -does not change a thing - not a damn thing.

Him and his friends (Mcgregors) are truly worried about the amount being spent on the grey purchases - GOOD they should be they have taken the piss for long enough.

It really annoys me when i try to be civil and when push comes to shove, i have a moan - out you come and start lashing me - no worries,

so to re-capp fine - no worries keep bitching beeech

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12-16-2003 04:11 PM  13 years agoPost 437
RotorX

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jonnyhelifreak


According to Janek you a criminal and according to Mark the C&E are about to kick you door in, so lie low till the threat is over - lol

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12-16-2003 05:18 PM  13 years agoPost 438
Roger Hamilton

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Johnny Helifreak

What exactly do you mean by 'getting ripped off by the VAT man' ?

Was the amount wrong?

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12-16-2003 05:33 PM  13 years agoPost 439
truespin

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Dodger,

I think he just means he paid taxes - the amounts seem to be correct (well by my mental arithmatic anyways!)

/truespin

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12-16-2003 06:01 PM  13 years agoPost 440
john spain

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i think that paying vat/duty on models (which are just toys that we pass are spare time with) is a total rip off.

£200 to tony just so i can fly my heli


ps jonnyhelifreak's not my real name so i should be ok


thanks

rumplestiltskin

now i'am f#cked. see you in parkhurst

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