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12-19-2011 02:58 AM  5 years agoPost 41
Sam2b

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Why do you care...
As for me, I do not care. It is marketing and works so well on other hobbiests. So many look at pilot X and say "wow, that heli/blades/engine/whatever flies awesome, so I choose that brand." Additionally when a sponsored pilot says "this is the best, blah blah" remember they are just a little bit biased. Best to make your own decision with your own data gathering. And that's how I C's it.

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12-19-2011 03:40 PM  5 years agoPost 42
Justin Stuart (passed)

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so would you guys agree, that probobly the most reliable opinions would come from folks who have no affiliations at all, and fly extremely well, paying their own way?
Yup.

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12-19-2011 07:03 PM  5 years agoPost 43
relax1

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2nd that!

I swear never to try that trick again! What the hell is only money!

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12-19-2011 07:06 PM  5 years agoPost 44
VKGT

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I don't care However, I do listen when the Szabos are at the field and talking setup tips about Align stuff. You say 3G sucks? Mine works awesome :P

Why does it matter anyway? It shouldn't.

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12-19-2011 07:08 PM  5 years agoPost 45
MartyH

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I don't care and I don't follow the "pros" at all.

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12-19-2011 09:29 PM  5 years agoPost 46
classic

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Tag Heuer watch
I bought mine before Tiger was endorsed, nice watches, higher quality then Rolex.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-19-2011 09:56 PM  5 years agoPost 47
red_z06

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I bought mine before Tiger was endorsed, nice watches, higher quality then Rolex.
I got my Movado even before.... Hmmm there is no one endorsing the product. You get my point.

As a rule, we don't talk about anything that we are sponsored. For one, it sounds like a sales pitch if you say anything good, and you should not talk about anything bad (if there are any). Hopefully people can make their own decisions about them. So, I limit it to technical answers only.

I do talk crap and praise about anything bad or good about stuff that we use but not sponsored.

As for them flying certain product (whatever it is), it gives the company exposure. Just think of it as models on a catwalk. Would you prefer a 300lb woman (nothing wrong with that by the way) showing off the designer clothes or 110lb model? Does it make you buy just because a model is wearing them? NO.

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12-20-2011 12:17 AM  5 years agoPost 48
Jeff polisena

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110lb model?
Ha ,more like 85 lbs

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-20-2011 12:30 AM  5 years agoPost 49
red_z06

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Really? You mean for a midget.. sorry vertically challenged.

OK. Maybe 100lb

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12-20-2011 01:19 AM  5 years agoPost 50
unclejane

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so would you guys agree, that probobly the most reliable opinions would come from folks who have no affiliations at all, and fly extremely well, paying their own way?
In my view, folks that tell you _why_ they prefer/endorse the equipment they use are probably giving the most reliable opinions.

I'm thinking again of Bobby Watts and the Whiplash. He and Chris Lund have a whole series of videos on the Whippy, how they designed it, details of the design and why they did it that way. I mean, you can't get a more detailed description of a heli and why they created it than that...

So regardless of however he may be affiliated with MA, you can see directly why he made and flies the Whippy and can generally trust what he says about it. Then you can make an informed decision yourself about whether it's what you want, meets your needs, etc.

Just my .02 again,

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12-20-2011 03:19 PM  5 years agoPost 51
rcnut

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The funny thing is the companies should (if they don't all ready) pay attention to what and how the pro pilot sets up there heli and make adjustments to there kits and or upgrades from there.
Also watch how the average/above average pilot improves their heli as well.
Why can't professionals be more like Jimmy Hendrix?...No, he decided early on in his career what product he BELIEVED IN, and he played it. Then when he became famous that company began to sponsor him...

...Pilots of all levels, whether they are sponsored or not, should only fly what they BELIEVE IN. Otherwise, they are just posers.
^^This is how I build my fleet of heli's.^^ I fly what "I believe in", period. I do my homework when it comes to heli manufactures, and everything else...motors, servos, gyro's, FBL units, blades, etc. And if my new heli comes with a pro pilot...COOL!

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12-20-2011 09:17 PM  5 years agoPost 52
RAK402

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Although it does not really make much difference, I do take an interest in who leaves what company to go where.

Team KBDD/Compass Team Manger/Experience RC/Team JR Americas/WR Field Rep

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12-20-2011 09:24 PM  5 years agoPost 53
red_z06

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We don't care who flys what. We don't care what we fly either.

If it flys we will fly it.

While we fly all brands, those with low maintenance stay and those who breakdown more than other will be left out of our fleet.

www.JustinJee.com

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12-20-2011 11:26 PM  5 years agoPost 54
kokopelli93

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What kind of bank do these "pro pilots" make? Do they actually make a full time living doing only that? I've always wondered if they're living large or like college students in a one bedroom apartment eating Top Ramen every night. I know a lot of people would jump at the latter, crappy way of life just to fly toy helis "for a living"...

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12-20-2011 11:59 PM  5 years agoPost 55
red_z06

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Starting salary for fresh out of school engineers are about $60k and will go to $200k for senior level.

If you are employed full time (not sponsored) by a company and do less than the entry level engineer's salary, is it worth it?

Most full sponsored pilots will get free equipment. If you have to travel at the company's request and they own certain amount of your time, then you are expected to get compensation.

Most fly because they love the hobby with no monetary compensation for the time. In fact, time spent at events are exchange for the equipment received. Some will get travel expenses but that is even exchange for the money you already spent.

Reps get discount at wholesale level so the company actually do not lose a penny for the amount of exposure they provide.

Fully sponsored get free equipment and most of the time expected to travel to events without compensation for the expenses. Some top level who are asked to attend will get travel expenses.

Anything more than attending few events fall under employment. So compensation is expected. This is no different than being hired by any other company.

www.JustinJee.com

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12-21-2011 12:36 AM  5 years agoPost 56
OldNewbie

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Red,
Do you know this to be a fact or are you guessing? I know nothing about professional team pilots but I find it hard to believe they are paying their own travel expenses to attend events and competitions, and are working for free heli gear. I would assume that since they are team pilots they have a contract like any other professional team athalete and are paid a base salary and probably earn bonuses based on performance etc. Some of these events take place overseas which would cost them thousands of dollars in travel expenses. To do that for a few free helis would be crazy. But like I said I know nothing about these guys or their business.

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12-21-2011 12:53 AM  5 years agoPost 57
kokopelli93

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Red, I wasn't looking for a job. I'm old compared to those guys (early 40s) and do quite well enough on my own. I was just wondering if they live off scraps or actually "make it" half way decently.

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12-21-2011 01:10 AM  5 years agoPost 58
lazor 22

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RC Helis at this level can be considered a sport.. And there are lots of different teams. People care for the same reason people who like some other sport care about who goes to what team.

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12-21-2011 01:23 AM  5 years agoPost 59
red_z06

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Do you know this to be a fact or are you guessing?
Team pilots competing over seas gets their expenses compensated. So, there are handful of top tier pilots (above full sponsorship), that do get paid.

If you read my post, it states that, if you make more than few events at the request of the company, they will be compensated. But, not at a level you might think. But, these are cream of the crop.

With exception of handful, because of the level of involvement goes beyond the sponsorship but borders on employment (giving certain amount of your time for compensation), they may be paid. But, you get that even at McDonald, as expected.

All of our over sea demos have been paid for by the event organizers. Some have asked what the compensation should be. I've waved them off as we are doing it for the fun of it. We were just glad that all our expenses were paid for including hotel, airfair, and meals. In turn, I've given up days from my work to make it happen. So, the net result is that I'm out of pay for the time spent at events.

Even for the team pilots (not reps), not all of them get 100% free equipment. So, don't believe everything you hear.
I was just wondering if they live off scraps or actually "make it" half way decently.
Most of them have day jobs.

Part of the reason many pilots can jump ship is due to the contract not binding (if there is one). What does that mean? Because they are not being paid, there really is nothing the company can do to stop them from moving. What can company do? Ask them to cough up the parts? At the same time, pilots can move because they are not losing anything.

www.JustinJee.com

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