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12-18-2011 02:50 PM  5 years agoPost 1
helicopter

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My C drive, 7 year old is failing.
XPsp3 on it. I own the os.
I bought win7 and a new HD 320 gig Eide.

How do I install win7 to ANOTHER drive
while keeping the failing drive active?
Call the new HD "Q".
(I have all the sata and pata ports filled
with HD's! C, F, G, N, M, L and Z!
Amounting to a terabyte! That's a kilo of gigs!)

That way from BIOS i can boot to either OS.

(And since the old "C" is at least running,
it has 7 years of PROGRM FILES that I don't
wish to loose!)

Advice appreciated.

Merry Christmas.

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12-19-2011 12:03 AM  5 years agoPost 2
HotsHabit

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Unplug the current failing C drive, plug in the new drive and let it be marked as the C drive, load the new OS then plug in the old failing C drive and it will take a different drive letter

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12-19-2011 12:08 AM  5 years agoPost 3
helicopter

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Thanks Idahot.
You didn't mention the other 5 drives.
Do I need to also unplug these too?

2. In BIOS to boot off the failing drive
do I just direct boot sequence to that HD
after I have win7 installed on the new C?

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12-19-2011 12:11 AM  5 years agoPost 4
HotsHabit

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Yes and yes, actually you dont need to unplug all the drives but it makes it a lot less complicated to make sure your installing the new OS on the correct drive

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12-19-2011 01:37 AM  5 years agoPost 5
AWittleWabbit

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Have you considered cloning your c drive before it dies? Acronis true image works good. Just dont use their back up.

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12-19-2011 04:00 AM  5 years agoPost 6
helicopter

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Hadn't thought o that! Thanks

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12-19-2011 04:11 AM  5 years agoPost 7
outhouse

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Acronis true image works good.
exactly

make a mirror image of your hard drive using acronis. It will only read and copy files to the new hard drive and your in buisness like nothing happened.

Ive done this successfully on many hard drives

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12-20-2011 12:50 AM  5 years agoPost 8
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Thank you Dr Out.

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12-20-2011 12:55 AM  5 years agoPost 9
outhouse

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You just have to make sure your current harddrive that is failing will hold up for the copy proccess.

A old trick is to put the hard drive in a plastic bag and put it in your freezer for 15 min or so.

sometimes you will get a clean read that way. electronics love the cold, its teh heat that causes issues

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12-20-2011 05:02 PM  5 years agoPost 10
u8mydog

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Or purchase a copy of spinRite http://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm. It's a bit expensive but worth it. This program often fixes failing drives long enough to get a copy. Spinrite basically refreshes the hd. It is non-destructive and basically re-writes the complete drive with what it read. If it has a problem reading a section, it will continue reading until the crc is good then write the good data back.

Remember that 7yr old files had the magnetics on the HD written 7yrs ago. The value written gets weaker over time.

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12-20-2011 10:59 PM  5 years agoPost 11
helicopter

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Thanks hot dog. U2 out.
The drive is running the OS XP3 ok right now.

I had a bud ship me ghost, but it says it needs
the drive defrag'd. Can't. 77g used of 80g drive.
Can't rid it of anything else.
Moved, pics, itunes lib, vids to other drives.
But the program files are still good to find the
links on the other drives.

So hotdog, will your idea also need a defrag first?

Gonna work on this tonight.

Tanks!

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12-21-2011 02:19 AM  5 years agoPost 12
outhouse

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spin rite doesnt work that great on failing drives.

dont defrag a bad drive, your asking to loose info

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12-21-2011 04:36 AM  5 years agoPost 13
AWittleWabbit

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I tried spin rite and it kept giving me an error. It doesn't seem to play nice with newer motherboards and SATA drives.

Try to clone your c drive via Acronis and be done with it before your drive finally craps out.

BTW spinrite or not, you need that drive cloned. Stop using up what little life it has left. My friend did this on a pc I built for him. Then he called for help after the drive died. You cant clone a dead drive. At least gibson research gave me refund....

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12-21-2011 06:56 PM  5 years agoPost 14
u8mydog

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Spinrite wants access to registers within the drive in order to monitor temperature and such. So some motherboards require the sata controller to be in legacy mode. And spinrite has recovered many bad drives but there are those that nothing can recover the information without a clean-room.

Spinrite doesn't defrag. It only 'refreshes' the low level data on the drive.

I've also seen the symantic/norton ghost error regarding defrag. Don't defrag.

Acronis is a great whole disk backup product and I've never seen it complain about defrag. And, you can use acronis to do full disk incremental backup. It runs on my laptop every weekday morning.

Also, once you create a backup image on a separate drive using Acronis, you can install windows 7, then acronis and then mount the previously backed-up image as a new drive in windows7 in order to copy your data into win7.

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12-24-2011 10:21 AM  5 years agoPost 15
RCHSF

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I belive when you clone a drive,(Old Drive System files, O.S,) Ect You'll have to make The a new partition on the New drive the same exact size as the old drive your cloneing or it will not accept the cloned drive (Old O.S and it's partition). Am I right Yall???

For example, I dont think you can clone say a 40 GB Partition with o.s and programe files, and exspect it fit on a newly partitioned 80GB drive. (Partitions have to be of equal size.)

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12-25-2011 12:52 AM  5 years agoPost 16
AWittleWabbit

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No, it can be the same or more. I cloned a 500 to 1tb no probs, with Acronis. Ive even cloned a raid0 array to a single 500.

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12-25-2011 11:22 PM  5 years agoPost 17
helicopter

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Viola! Success.

Did a lot of reading, through acronis website and other
forums but got er done!

Here's how:
First, tryed to clone the new drive from the boot drive
in there positions. 3 trys no go.
Found you can't clone a DYNAMIC drive. I assume this means
one on which the OS is operating.
So back to acronis for bootable CD.
Read some more.
Found they recommend placing the new drive in the old
spot where it will be used as MBR. Then I installed the
OLD drive on a scsi ide port. Then Booted from the
acronis bootable CD.
It came up into ACRONIS and asked if you want to continue
to boot, or pull up True Image (ATI). This looked like
the proper choice.
It started to copy and clone and within 2 minutes said
it had 15, no 24 no 35, no 16 minutes left, then the
monitor went dark. WUWT?
Now, the HDD activity light was still working, so I kept
checking that. Got tired of that in 20 minutes, still flashin.
SO wait 45 min, check again, no flashin. Watch n wait 2 min.
No flash at all. Hard reset shut down.

Now: I pulled the power from the old hdd, started up, and
while under boot sequence opened the CD and claimed the
Bootable CD.

Guess what?

She found my OS XPSP3 on the new cloned HDD! A WD 320g
with 298 available, 1 partition.

So I plugged back in the other 5 drives (Got a terra here),
and boot again. Disk manglement found them all!

Now, where it took 13 minutes to fully load before, the
system is up and booted in 6 min maybe less. Slow Former HDD?

This is livable.

Now on to WIN7. Load her up in the CD and read the how to.

Found that I couldn't do a multiboot because in Custom
or upgrade it would allow it multi because it wanted to
place my old XP OS in windows.old file and reload all the
former programs! Yuk!

All I want to do is load Win7 to one drive, boot there or
boot to my XP OS.

HOW do I accomplish this? To partition the new C HDD
I would loose all that I did in the CLONE maneuver!

Christmas day suggestions are acceptable!

Thanks guys for all your help!

Guys that can build and fly RC heli's got some skills!

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12-26-2011 12:32 AM  5 years agoPost 18
RCHSF

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You resize your current partiton on which windows xp is installed,(shrink it)has no effect on it, or the files, make is small as you wish, say 120gb, then make a new partion, and install windows 7 on that one. Then at boot you have the option of which os you want to boot into. Old O.S has to be on the drive first, as in first partion.

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12-26-2011 04:02 AM  5 years agoPost 19
AWittleWabbit

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If you have a Win7 upgrade just do a full clean install. The upgrade is the full install. They just imply otherwise. Do a full install when prompted not upgrade. It legit to do so. As a rule I would avoid upgrade installs anyway.

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