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12-18-2011 03:06 PM  5 years agoPost 21
Thomas L Erb

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Untill they, "the rich" can bring back higher income to the less skilled labor force,( like myself ) this will go on forever
A tried and true democrap statement here. Tell us why does the company owe you? You limit yourself by your mindset here. The companys offer a job that pays this much yet because you work there you deserve more because well you just should! Along with this you only want to work your 40 ( including breaks) and go home. You don't want or feel that you should take on any additional responsibilities but the company owes me more because I want it! ( stomping foot down). Now yes there are owners that are cheap with their help but ther are plenty of people to fill these positions but won't because the goverment doles them out the same amount for not working which is ridiculous at best.
It is your laziness that holds you back. Business only owes you a paycheck for your production, no less no more. You have. The ability to improve yourself but you choose not to because it requires self determination and OMG some effort to be put out.

Have you no business thought at all? You shoud at least try it sometime. Again I agree that there is greed on both sides of the argument here and both need called to the carpet on it but it is time you take responsiabillity for yourself and not expect someone else to do it for you.

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Just FYI I employ over 20 people in my family business. The pays ale is not the highest but they get all the work they can handle ,health care and a pension plan. The benifets cost me more then the wage I pay them . It cost me cost to 3 times what I pay them just to keep them employed. This is what most people fail to see in business. They just think their boss is just sucking them dry when in the true light of things some get are getting more then they deserve.

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12-18-2011 05:06 PM  5 years agoPost 22
1800bigk

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Yes, dems have no idea what goes on behind the scene when they get paid. A person that answers the telephone in a call center at a big company has a wage of ~$13-15/hr which comes out to about $26-30k per year. But each one of those employees actually cost the company double that! Because your workplace pays for your health care, and they have to match dollar for dollar your SSI deduction, they have to pay in to workers comp insurance and a whole laundry list of costs are going on behind the scene that you never see (thanks to the gov't). Then these people think just that because they have worked somewhere for a certain amount of time the employer owes them something like a seniority benefit where if layoffs come around they should get to keep working and they should layoff the new people. That is crazy, the best workers should get to stay no matter how long they have worked there. An employer does not owe you anything more than your pay for the last pay period of work. If you dont like the pay you are getting for your job, make yourself worth more and go somewhere else.

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12-18-2011 06:02 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Thomas L Erb

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Well spoken 1800bigk

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12-18-2011 06:26 PM  5 years agoPost 24
fla heli boy

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very good, both of you.
Back in the day when I worked for civil engineers, my billable rate was 78.00/hr on our design contracts. What was I getting paid?? About 22 per hour. BUT, I had great health insurance, 2 weeks paid vacation, 5 sick days and the usual holidays.
We used to figure the multiplier @ 2.6 - 2.8 for each person working on the project. The rest was profit for the company.
Did I get upset that I was only getting paid 22/hr?? Nope. Did I get upset that the owner lived in a HUGE home and drove one of 2-3 mercedes he had in the garage?? Nope.
Somewhere, some time, this whole country has flipped to where everybody (especially the latest generation), thinks that if somebody is driving a nicer vehicle, owns a bigger home, that they are being ripped off and being taken advantage of.
I just don't grasp the mindset.
Ask a new gradute if he's willing to work for 15/hr. and he'll laugh in your face. When I started in that business, my first job w/ an engineer was at 6.75/hr. In 5 years I was in charge of the design department of 3 offices and making 60k per year because I took it upon myself to stay late, learn new software and if my boss needed me to stay an extra hour or come in on Saturday, I did it without hesitation and I was rewarded for it, whereas my coworkers refused and stagnated.

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12-18-2011 06:45 PM  5 years agoPost 25
1800bigk

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If anyone wants the life of a small business owner they can try it out themselves. Yeah a successful small biz owner can make really good money and drive cars like you mentioned but what you don't see is that person put in tons of work in the beginning getting it going. Running a start up is like having two full time jobs for several years and even then it's not like you can just quit and walk away and have someone else look after it because they will not do a good job like you will.

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12-19-2011 12:05 AM  5 years agoPost 26
ssmith512

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that person put in tons[U] of work in the beginning getting it going
Not only is it the hard work, it is the financial risk they all take. Tapping their savings, mortgaging their house, working for almost NOTHING (yep, that is right folks, they generally work for NOTHING the first few years so the business has a chance to make a profit). I can GUARANTEE that the major majority of small business owners (you know those nasty rich people) worked for free at some point in their upstart business venture. Now, who again isnt paying their fare share???

Steve

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12-19-2011 12:12 AM  5 years agoPost 27
1800bigk

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One more thing, I hear people say things like "well their dad / grandpa started that business and so and so is just lucky to be born in that family." People don't realize that even if you were giving your family business it is hard work just to keep it going and not squander all the money on stupid things. Yes it is hard work to run a biz and keep it going even if it was handed down to you. It is not easy to make good decisions and keep things going.

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12-19-2011 04:13 PM  5 years agoPost 28
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Running a start up is like having two full time jobs for several years and even then
I been there you know what you're talking about itsn't a easy task,
i don't think it ever get easy. Unless someone els run it while
you're on the golf course.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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12-19-2011 05:13 PM  5 years agoPost 29
fla heli boy

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Unless someone els run it while
you're on the golf course.
It takes a long time to get there if you ever do. And IF you ever do, you've earned that right.

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12-19-2011 06:43 PM  5 years agoPost 30
baby uh1

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I think that I read somewhere in this thread that because someone making $50,000 a year is taxed out of half of it they need government assistance to survive. Isn't the problem obvious?
Too much government!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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12-19-2011 07:41 PM  5 years agoPost 31
fla heli boy

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you got it. You know what people think now??? "Well, why work hard to make 50 and lose 25, when I can make 25 and pay nothing and also get food stamps, energy assistance, etc."
And some day soon, that 1%er line will drop to the point where if you make that 50k per year, YOU will be considered wealthy and then the OWS people will be coming after YOU.
You feed that beast and it will turn on you, which is what class warfare is doing to us now.
THANKS OBUMMER!!!!
I can only dream of making 50 pe year now and 5 years ago I made more than double that without even trying. I spent more time golfing than working.

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12-19-2011 11:11 PM  5 years agoPost 32
TwistedRotor

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What I don't like about that article is that he lumps in all social services as being paid with income tax, which is not true. That's the problem with all you conservatives. You want to use a half truth that suits your argument but don't realize that it's the sales tax, property tax, etc. which pay for those things (at least in my town).

You also want to lump all liberals as lazy, which is also untrue (Steve Jobs anyone, how about Warren Buffett). Currently I'm on a job in India that my company bid for 8 hours a day but in all reality I'm working at least 12 hrs., if not more, at their charged rate of $200/hr. plus expenses. I'm not seeing that. So who is really getting screwed here?

You also want to bring up the rising cost of healthcare but resist any reform to the system.

Look at the rise of executive pay over the last 40 years then the relationship of working pay vs. production. You'll quickly see that while there's been a increase in production, worker pay has stayed virtually stagnant unlike executive pay which has sky rocketed. So I ask again, who's getting screwed here?

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12-19-2011 11:14 PM  5 years agoPost 33
TwistedRotor

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Oh and by the way, if anyone needs me I'll be on the 24 hr. plane ride back home which by travel policy I only get paid 8 hours/day for and they bill the client 27.

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12-20-2011 12:01 AM  5 years agoPost 34
1800bigk

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You cannot fix the healthcare costs as long as doctors get $200,000+ per year and nurses get $75,000 per year. An insurance company does not set these salaries but they are on the hook to pay for these things, thats why health insurance costs so much. The insurance companies make a few cents per dollar sometimes nothing, but that adds up with millions of customers.

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12-20-2011 12:07 AM  5 years agoPost 35
baby uh1

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I don't think that you can fix healthcare by letting the government ruin it like they have everything else they "manage". Their meddling is the real reason that healthcare is unafforable.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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12-20-2011 12:16 AM  5 years agoPost 36
TwistedRotor

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Really it's "for profit" hospitals. People shouldn't be able to make money on certain things like being sick or hurt. Where's the incentive to get them well and out the door unless their insurance runs out. It's like a hotel, gotta keep those beds full, gotta pay for that big machine by running more tests. But then it goes further than that. Preventative care needs to be promoted & quality of food needs to be improved. But with stagnant pay and increasing costs, people can't afford such things so then the viscous cycle continues.

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12-20-2011 12:21 AM  5 years agoPost 37
TwistedRotor

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Their meddling is the real reason that healthcare is unafforable.
That's total BS and unsupported. Last I checked we don't have a government run healthcare system. If you're going to use "Obamacare" as the reason most of that hasn't been enacted. It's been in control of the private sector for a long time. Can't blame government for everything.

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12-20-2011 12:22 AM  5 years agoPost 38
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To hell with liberals, rep, dem, all parties do is fight. There should only be one party, the American party. Love it or leave it. Do whats needed for the country as a whole and domt worry about who it pisses off.

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12-20-2011 12:50 AM  5 years agoPost 39
1800bigk

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He is kinda correct about the government meddling jacking up the cost of health care. Even before obamacare, say a person on medicare / medicaid goes in for a procedure that has an actual no bs cost of $500. That doctor sends the bill to uncle sam and medicare will "disallow" and only pay that doctor $300 so now you come in with a real insurance card and get the same procedure but the doc has to bill you $700 to make up the $200 he lost on the gov't patient. If there was no gov't insurance "disallowing" things the costs would not be as high. There are millions and millions of people on medicare / medicaid.

A similar example just happened to me with my car. A person backed into me in the parking lot. I took my car in for estimate and it said $640. The guy at the body shop asked if I was going to report this to my insurance company and I said no, my deductible is $500 so its not worth it. He said i will do it for $400. So its not exactly the same thing but the basic idea is as long there are these bigger things picking up the bill (gov't or ins companies) people are going to take advantage. If nobody had insurance and there was no medicare medicaid could a hospital ever get away with charging $10,000 for one night stay?

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12-20-2011 01:50 AM  5 years agoPost 40
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^^^Exactly!^^^
If you look at what it cost to have a procedure back before Medicare/Medicade you will see that it was much cheaper than the difference should be due to inflation. And guess what! Inflation is the government's fault also. They just can't stop printing that money!
Also, if they would rein in the out of control lawyers, the runaway cost of college, and get the heck out of the way and let insurance companies compete, the rates would come down tremendously.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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