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12-17-2011 02:15 PM  5 years agoPost 1
rudyy

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After watching Bert's video, I fully understand the technical aspect behind. But how can you adjust the cyclic stick in such an extremely quick manner? Remember that you have to adjust the cyclic control for every quarter of a piro. Everything happens so fast that by the time you know what stick movement you need to apply, the heli is already doing the next quarter of a piro. This really puzzles me.

Or do you just keep stirring the cyclic stick without worrying much until you find the heli starts getting out of synch and then you resynch the stick stirring i.e trying to figure out what needs to be adjusted at that out of synch point?

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12-17-2011 02:23 PM  5 years agoPost 2
McKrackin

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Which video?

I'll withhold my advise until my piro flips stop looking like a prelude to a crash.lol...

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12-17-2011 02:23 PM  5 years agoPost 3
rudyy

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Smack Talk RC - Piroflip

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12-17-2011 02:27 PM  5 years agoPost 4
wrongler

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I don't have it down quite the way I would like but, I can do some sloppy ones.My buddy can do them perfectly and he says "Its all timing with the thumbs", if you have to think about it, your not going to get it. Just practice on the Sim until it becomes automatic.
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12-17-2011 03:44 PM  5 years agoPost 5
floop

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Here is a video on

Watch at YouTube

And the description

IT's what I do.

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12-17-2011 03:56 PM  5 years agoPost 6
rudyy

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Floop, thanks for the link. I think I will find it very helpful. I am going to take some serious training on piro travel and work all the way up.

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12-17-2011 05:29 PM  5 years agoPost 7
Wingman77

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12-17-2011 05:32 PM  5 years agoPost 8
JOLT

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Great video floop! He did an excellent job.

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12-17-2011 06:15 PM  5 years agoPost 9
povern

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If I had to guess by your question, you haven't done the first step Bert talks about: statuary piro hovers.

Learn them and the 'stir' Will come.

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12-17-2011 07:54 PM  5 years agoPost 10
BladeStrikes

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Video's like them will help but hurt you at the same time..Them guy's already know how to do them so all their doing is showing you how to piro flip which skip's over ALOT of basics that you need to learn first.Sure you can learn to do them but they won't be controlled,reason for doing basics first.

Learn all this "inverted and upright" first so you can control them with a slow piro rate.
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Piroing in one spot..

Let the heli drift away while piroing and bring it back right where you started.

Move the heli around while piroing and stop it where you want it..

Do piroing circles .

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Above is basic stuff to learn before doing them..Jumping right into piro flips is like trying forward flight when you can't hover..When you learn the basic's,you can control the flip's.Or when they start to move around,you can move back to the same spot..

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12-17-2011 08:05 PM  5 years agoPost 11
BladeStrikes

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Also,
When you flip the heli while piroing,start with tail or nose in.Right when the tail or nose come's around is when you wanna flip and timing has to be good..You'll also have to adjust cyclic and tail speed to match eachother ..If one is fast/slower than the other,the flip look's like poop..Guess what im saying is the heli has to be tunned for it..

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12-17-2011 09:47 PM  5 years agoPost 12
rudyy

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Yes, you are right, I have not mastered both the upright and inverted stationary piro yet. I am going to do that first.

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12-17-2011 11:11 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Taipan

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Or do you just keep stirring the cyclic stick without worrying much until you find the heli starts getting out of synch and then you resynch the stick stirring i.e trying to figure out what needs to be adjusted at that out of synch point?
That's pretty much it. It's all about synching stirring the cyclic stick to the piro rate. After a lot of practice it becomes 2nd nature.

Do learn stationary upright & inverted piros first.

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12-18-2011 12:45 AM  5 years agoPost 14
Jeff polisena

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It is all timing , you practice until your fingers are sore then practice more .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-18-2011 01:30 AM  5 years agoPost 15
S76 Mech

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Excellent video Floop, who was the instructor? Are there any more videos like that?

T/y,
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12-18-2011 03:06 AM  5 years agoPost 16
floop

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^^ Thanks. Yes you can find many more videos at this link.

Or via the Youtube channel.

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12-19-2011 01:37 PM  5 years agoPost 17
darkfa8

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very nice Floop!

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12-19-2011 05:23 PM  5 years agoPost 18
Ladymagic

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After watching Bert's video, I fully understand the technical aspect behind. But how can you adjust the cyclic stick in such an extremely quick manner?
The thing about Piros, Piro flips, dynamic Piro type manuevers is that you cannot view them as a structured manuever like you would learning tictocs and and others of the like. Just knowing the technical aspect if this type of flight is not enough.

It is extremely difficult to put a specific logic to Piro flight due to the fact that there are so many variables that come into play during the execution of this type of 3D. This almost guarantees that no piro flip is exactly the same. That is what makes learning piro 3D so difficult..and teaching piro even harder.

I can tell by your post that you are looking for ques to know when adjust a portion of stunt, but that cannot be taught.

I learned piro flight about 4 years ago and now I can't stop, but not before spending hours on G3 and I was even able to get a few pointers from some of the big names out there like Ray Namovi and some of the other guys.

Your best bet is to break down the manuever into smaller elements...master them first and piro flight will come naturally on its as own.

Start by mastering the upright and inverted stationary piro hover first. That will teach you how much and where to bump the cyclic to keep the heli where you want it and working on your rudder-to-cyclic timing. At first, you'll need to pick a point based on your rudder postions, but in time, you'll be able to put your cyclic input in at any rudder postion. But, you'll need to be patient and you have to be very critical of yourself during this process so you don't become overly confidient.

Next, learn how to fly the side of the rotor disc. Manuevers like left and right side funnels and hurricanes will get you there pretty fast. Learn all four points in both directions. This teaches you how to articulate your rudder inputs against your collective and cyclic. The degree of the inputs determine how tight your funnels are and you will also learn how to adjust your flight level just by changing your rudder angle.

Another good method is to dismiss the idea that you have to stir your cyclic to get the flip accomplished. At first you should work at getting the heli over with your basic four cyclic points. Up, Down, left and right. The scoping/stirring motion that you see is a more refined version that makes the flip look cleaner , but is not needed when you are first learning. It will come as you become more proficient and confident in it own time. Right now, you can get what you need simply by applying inputs and letting the heli fall back flat on the rotor disc.

Finally, learning the the half piro flip will help you tremendously. You can practice this by executing a horseshoe flight pattern and a safe altitide. At the top of each end of the horseshoe, just as the heli begins to stall and fall, excecute a piro, then a cyclic input to cause the heli to fall over into an inverted postion. Then, fly the heli back out inverted and bring it back upright on the opposite end of the horseshoe doing the same thing.

I hope this helps you out some. But, the best advice is time and experience. Learn the above and you'll have most of the basics you need to get the piro flip down...so you can progress into the chaos as well. Good luck and happy flying

Mellisa

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12-19-2011 05:46 PM  5 years agoPost 19
vertheli

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7min E

hey whats up with the 7min flight on the E? whats your headspeed ?

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12-20-2011 01:32 AM  5 years agoPost 20
Andy.Kim

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Being able to make adjustments/corrections during piro flip is the same for any other maneuver. It takes experience and being able to instinctively making corrections when the heli is out of place.

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