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12-16-2011 04:40 PM  5 years agoPost 1
imrerun

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So here is my question and history.I have had 3 heli's (nitro) with CY Total-G.They were awesome for a while till one of them went bad.I must preface that with saying that Curtis and Brian and Dave are all super people to deal with and totally stand behind their products.
I have a problem though with the interface with the Total-G, a little too complicated and not user friendly.I turned off the fbl and used them with fly-bars for a while and they are super for receiver governor and tail gyro.Now I have a 550E V2 and a 600E Pro V2 with 3GX on them.Very easy to set up and don't fly too bad but wanted a more locked in feeling like BeatsX or V-bar.So I took them (3GX) off and put beastx on the electrics and really like them.
I am putting a BeastX on one of the nitro 600s now and was wondering is if I should try the V-bar on the other one.Friends of mine say V-bar is easy to setup and that both are good fbl controllers but with V-Bar it will be my receiver governor and all in one and eliminate the extra fuss of separate receiver.
So throwing it out there to get some feedback
Thanks for any input

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12-17-2011 08:48 AM  5 years agoPost 2
nickwap

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Cant say I have personnel experience of V Bar, but I have a Curtis Total G and Beasts,
I agree that the Total G is a great system, but a bit of a PITA to set up.
Beast is really easy to set up, does not need a computer but it is fine tweekable with a PC.
The manual is not that clear on set up to some folk, but I didn't have a problem.
Horizon are about to release a Beast with Spektrum RX in built, thus removing some of the wiring requirements.

I have 4 Beasts 2 x 700N,a 550E, and a N5C in build.
The Beast does not have a Gov, all fly rock solid.
I think that the Beast system is the less expensive system and updates are free (cable and PC required)
The latest firmware V3.08 is awesome
The V bar will also have its fans, but for me its the Beastx every time, it just works out the box.

HTH Nick

"Give me another one, this one's broke!"

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12-17-2011 03:48 PM  5 years agoPost 3
imrerun

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nickwap

nickwap
Thanks for input
Do you ever end up needing to turn up the gain pots any ?
I like the setup ease of the BeastX but friends are putting the pressure on to try V-Bar on at least one heli

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12-17-2011 09:36 PM  5 years agoPost 4
Peterr

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I've got BeastX on my gassers , nitros and electrics ; have yet to touch a pot on any of them ..

BeastX just works ....

AND no bloody laptop at the field either ....

E ,N ,G Whiplash's;Spectra G's;Stratus;E&N Razor,Fury 55;Furion6;TSA 600N, 700N, 700G;; Be

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12-18-2011 04:37 AM  5 years agoPost 5
Jej34

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Can't ask for more with beastx in my Trex 700
Rock solid!

I bought it as a kit, it ended up a kit!

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12-18-2011 09:02 AM  5 years agoPost 6
nickwap

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I have 2 700N's I have upped the values on Pot 1 and 2 on one of them by about 15% it sorted out a slightly loose feeling I had, I guess cos its the spec is slightly different
#001 DS610's and DS650 YS91ST Viper Head / Hatori
#002 JR8717's JR8900G YS91SR/ Hatori

All servos at 6V (apart from JR8900G)

Every thing else flys stock settings

Nick

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12-18-2011 10:28 PM  5 years agoPost 7
imrerun

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tried beastx today

Put it on a nitro 600 and first thing I found out is on nitro mounting pad is to thick soft and flexible.I did not have trouble on my electrics but on nitro I put 3m in place of stock mounting pad.Worked better.Had other issues with heli,non beastx related I believe so a little more time on bench to try again.
I have so many good messages from everyone.Thanks so much for all the input.
I have decided to be fair and try V-Bar on my other nitro once they are back in stock
Thanks everyone for all the invaluable info I have received

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12-19-2011 11:44 PM  5 years agoPost 8
sseppala

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Vbar vs. Beastx

I have 4 Beastx and 5 vbar. Beastx on 700n, 700e, E7, 550e. Vbar on Whiplash, 2 Furion 6, 5Nc, 550e.
Here is my opinion. Beastx is easier to setup but not as locked in, trustworthy or adjustable. I am changing my E7 over to Vbar. Beastx is great for the money but if you want the ultimate go with vbar, you can really fine tune it to you flying style.
Sseppala

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12-19-2011 11:46 PM  5 years agoPost 9
OICU812

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I've got BeastX on my gassers , nitros and electrics ; have yet to touch a pot on any of them ..

BeastX just works ....

AND no bloody laptop at the field either ....
On vbar you can use a control panel to, or a laptop for like 4-6 flights then you "NEVER" need one again so lets not exxagerate like so many like to.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-20-2011 12:38 PM  5 years agoPost 10
panzlflyer

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And if you have an android phone you can tweak to your hearts content.
Truth is once setup you rarely need to touch the Vbar.

T700,450Pro,Spirit Pro,Beast+, Qav 500,Futaba18SZ

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12-20-2011 03:40 PM  5 years agoPost 11
GetToDaChopper

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you might want to try futabas cgy 750, alot of people swear by them on nitro helis.

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12-20-2011 03:49 PM  5 years agoPost 12
imrerun

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Futaba

I read futaba specs and it specified only futaba radios with their fbl system

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12-20-2011 03:57 PM  5 years agoPost 13
abwomack

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vbar on nitro

I ran the full size blue line on a trex 600, worked great. Used zeal tape on the sensor

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12-21-2011 03:25 AM  5 years agoPost 14
David Blain

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I'm flying the V-Bar on 700N because it flat out performs!
With "initial" set up yes you need a laptop, but once you have it dialed in and set to your parameters it flies like it's on rails...
The variable adjustments allow you to fine tune in exactly how you want it personally within micro percentages of changes to inputs, plus you can run additional banks (selections) that once programmed you can change in flight!

-Should you want to make a minor adjustment, use the remote! -

"so you do NOT need to drag a laptop to the field"

I personally chose the V-Bar over the Beast-X because it was all inclusive, it acts as the receiver and the governor combined.
where the Beast X still needs to use a receiver and a series of jumpers leads to go from the receiver into the Beast X then out to servos...
Plus you need a additional governor to regulate head speed on Nitros!

NOTE:
THIS is solely my personal opinion!
I am not sponsored nor endorsed by any company....

imrerun you asked for input, as stated on original post!

No matter what you choose "Flybarless is the way to go" buddy!

David Blain
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12-24-2011 09:30 AM  5 years agoPost 15
imrerun

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Ok,, I made the Move !!

Ok here is the newest.I put a beastx on one of the 600 nitro's and will be actually getting to fly it today for the first time.I had a test hover was all so far and am looking forward to flying today weather permitting.
I also with all the input ordered a V-Bar yesterday and will put it on my other nitro 600 next week or so.
I have alot of friends around me using the V-Bar so I will have help with programming it if needed.
So I will try the best of both worlds.
Thanks to everyone for helping me to go ahead and pull the trigger on both of them
I decided for now to try both and if I like one over the other i will make both of them the same
I guess from so much great input on both units it was hard to decide on just one over the other but will now have one of each

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12-24-2011 11:06 AM  5 years agoPost 16
FLYERCLD

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You are going to love Vbar. Set it and fly.

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12-24-2011 11:24 AM  5 years agoPost 17
imrerun

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cant wait

Looking forward to it very much

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12-24-2011 01:39 PM  5 years agoPost 18
unclejane

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Futaba
I read futaba specs and it specified only futaba radios with their fbl system
Futaba finally released an adapter that encodes standard RX output to S-bus, so you should be able to use the 750 with non Futaba RX's now:

http://www.ronlund.com/rcheli-prod/RADGY/FUTM4194.html

Ron lund has some videos on youtube on how to use it too, tho I havn't watched those yet.

I personally wouldn't want to try the BeastX on a nitro, as it's very sensitive to vibration (as I talk about in my other thread).
I have it sorted now on my electric by using the BeastX foam pad instead of hard mounting, and it flies great now. But it cost me a set of rotor blades, several days of fiddling and could have been worse if my luck hadn't been good.

On a nitro I wouldn't consider anything other than the CGY 750 even if I had to buy the adapter. It's probably the only one on the market with vibration-resistant gyros in it where the sensor is designed to be hard mounted. I.e. I have the GY701 on my nitro, hard mounted, and it holds up fine, so the 750 should be the same...

LS

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12-25-2011 12:43 AM  5 years agoPost 19
imrerun

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unclejane

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Thanks for that.I already pulled the pin on a V-bar but sure would have considered Futaba.Everyone where I fly either has JR or Spektrum,and most are using the V-Bar so I will have much support around me for V-Bar
and some with BeastX and then very few with 3GX or 3G etc.

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12-25-2011 12:58 AM  5 years agoPost 20
unclejane

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Well that's a far better reason to make a choice, really - if there's a community of folks already using it, it's the best choice no matter what it is lol. There's no substitute for local experience to help you get through a problem.

I'm pretty much totally on my own so basically just had to fall back on the WAG (Wild A$$ Guess) methodology to make my initial choice. I got it half right and half wrong in the end (had an expensive initial problem but stumbled into a working solution through trial and error).

If I had it to do over again I'd have gone with the 750 straight away, even tho I'm doing it on the electric.

But by all means if the other pilots in your area use the Vbar, than that's hands down the best choice... It didn't get as popular as it is for no reason, I'd say...

LS

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