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12-14-2011 01:25 PM  5 years agoPost 1
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from rons newsletter:
The Miniature Aircraft Whiplash Electric is nearing the end of its first production run. Next, and coming soon, is the Whiplash Nitro 90. We have quite a few orders for this machine; about twice as many as we had for the Electric. If you want one, give us a call and we'll make sure you get one as soon as possible. Miniature Aircraft is still saying the kits will be ready some time in December, but I wouldn't be surprised if it leaks into early to mid-January. I am very proud of what Miniature has accomplished with the Whiplash. They have created a model that is innovative and durable, with precise components made in the USA. I'm sure the level of pride experienced by Whiplash owners is off the charts. Order one today and see what I mean.

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12-14-2011 01:49 PM  5 years agoPost 2
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Yep, I just found the same email from RL in my inbox a little while ago.

I for one am glad to see MA still fully supporting nitro with the Whiplash. I'm definitely a nitro enthusiast and my experience with electric has only increased that (too much crap to lug around, strongly dislike carrying and storing those LiPo bombs all over the place, crap battery tech, etc).

I'm reasonably sure my next nitro will actually be a Whippy with a flybar - I love the design of the Whippy and how Bobby W/Chris L setup their flybar head. Align seems to have dropped off their support for 700 sized nitros as their kits haven't been updated in a long time now (only the electrics have gone "V2" so far). So it's possible that after the next fatal crash on my align, I'll go with a Whippy/flybar with perhaps an OS 1.05. Hopefully by then the kits/parts and motors will all be in stock and available.

I'm hoping it's the new big blocks from OS and YS that have helped stall the decline of nitro. I think if electric were my only choice, I'd eventually lose interest in the hobby and just go back to my full scale fulltime

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12-14-2011 01:56 PM  5 years agoPost 3
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Guy at our field flys for heli-wholesalers and has the electric whiplash very nice heli and the quality is as good as it gets. Some nice inovations too,the autoratation oneway is on the pinion gear and the main gear is bolted directly to the mainshaft. Flys great for about 3 1/2 minutes.......

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12-14-2011 01:58 PM  5 years agoPost 4
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You might want to consider a larger engine than that His heli is very heavy 12 pounds ready to fly and it doesnt get any lighter as the batteries discharge......

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12-14-2011 02:10 PM  5 years agoPost 5
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The Whiplash was designed to be a jack of all trades ( electric, nitro, gas ).

Unfortunately it can be master of none. Too many compromises have yielded a nonoptimal design.

A 12 pound electric with no forethought of proper CG balancing is a prime example.

Heavy and frustrating. No thanks.

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12-14-2011 02:28 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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It won't be long before this thread gets bashed

The e-guys will never admit to nitro being supererior in
safety
flight times
costs
performance
WOW factor

If all I had to choose was electric I to would quit the hobby.
no-body stops to watch eletrics fly but with nitro I sure get a few visitors
sure some Smart-a$$ e-guy will be along soon enough

Can't wait to see the Nitro and gasser versions of the Whiplash

" Team Protoast "

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12-14-2011 02:32 PM  5 years agoPost 7
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According to Bobby Watts in the videos they made about it, the nitro is lighter, 10.5 to 11lbs. That's about the same weight as my align nitro, and if it comes out a little more than that it won't be a problem for me. I'm more looking to set it up for F3C or generally "big sky" flying rather than a gnat that just got sprayed with, well, nitro .

The only wrinkle will be power. I live at 7000 feet and my 700N is definitely underpowered with the 91 HZ-R. So I may go with the 105 for propulsion.

I'm not really interested in the electric version so it can weigh a ton and I don't care . That said, I wouldn't be surprised if my 700E isn't also around 12lbs with the two align 5200mah 6S's in it. It's quite the pig when loaded with batteries and you can definitely tell during autos. But it still isn't short on power or performance by any means...

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12-14-2011 02:40 PM  5 years agoPost 8
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The e-guys will never admit to nitro being supererior in
safety
Well I guess since it's inevitable for this to become nitro vs. electric.... Safety is the #2 turnoff of electric for me. I've already had a couple of shorting incidents with my electric and the situation was extremely dangerous in both cases. I was just lucky I didn't burn down my apt. in the process and me too. Those LiPos store a LOT of energy and even the mildest mistake can be a true disaster.

In the rare events I do fly my electric, I now have a very regimented, strict routine for dealing with the batts and havn't had any problems.

Another ugly thing about electric is what can happen once that ESC is armed. Sudden starts and other glitches can be very dangerous, especially on the bench or in the pits.

Again, I have a very strict routine that helps with this nowadays.

But it definitely adds a little tooth chatter to flying my electric that I don't have with my nitro. I only have to deal with that jug of fuel and nothing can suddenly come alive and chop anything off until I actually start the engine....

To me a nitro is like driving a classic car. Not as much power with fancy technology, but has the smoke, noise, and the constant battle to keep things from stripping, falling off, siezing, wearing out or burning up.... It all adds up in the fun...

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12-14-2011 02:55 PM  5 years agoPost 9
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Well I guess since it's inevitable for this to become nitro vs. electric.... Safety is the #2 turnoff of electric for me. I've already had a couple of shorting incidents with my electric and the situation was extremely dangerous in both cases. I was just lucky I didn't burn down my apt. in the process and me too. Those LiPos store a LOT of energy and even the mildest mistake can be a true disaster.
You should keep a close eye on your toaster oven as well.

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12-14-2011 03:03 PM  5 years agoPost 10
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You should keep a close eye on your toaster oven as well.
Yepper, the way I see it I already have enough electrical problems in everyday life.

Tho I guess it's a pick-your-poison type thing, a whole bunch of electric/electronic problems or a whole bunch of mechanical problems. You can't escape it either way .

One advantage of electric that I envy a little bit is the high CG. You can mount the motor up top and stuff the batteries up pretty high in the fuselage. On a nitro, you always have that heavy engine down low so the CG is always lower - this makes things like wobbles harder to deal with on a nitro.

The only other advantage electric has is smoother running, making it less likely you'll beat up your gyro and other electronics.

I can't think of anything else about electric that I prefer, tho....

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12-14-2011 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 11
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I can't think of anything else about electric that I prefer, tho....
you forgot to mention "stick banging"! Collective management is so 1999, just slap a 12s pack, kontronix esc, and the biggest hacker motor that will fit. You'll never bog again!

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12-14-2011 03:19 PM  5 years agoPost 12
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It won't be long before this thread gets bashed

The e-guys will never admit to nitro being supererior in
safety
flight times
costs
performance
WOW factor

If all I had to choose was electric I to would quit the hobby.
no-body stops to watch eletrics fly but with nitro I sure get a few visitors
sure some Smart-a$$ e-guy will be along soon enough

Can't wait to see the Nitro and gasser versions of the Whiplash
Thats why i started this thread so people can vent. Its just that the electric guys think electric is the only game in town and nitro is old school. But anyway let the Sh!t fly,its all fun anyway.

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12-14-2011 03:27 PM  5 years agoPost 13
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You'll never bog again!
Hell I can't bog my 700MX with CC ICE2 120HV as is. The more I push the collective stick up, the faster it goes up till it's out of sight and I hardly hear the rotor ever slow down (unless I make a bad mistake)....
Those things are already hideously overpowered even with El Cheapo stuff like the align motor and align batts.

Power/performance, by the way, is not a disadvantage of electric. But we all already kind of know that .

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12-14-2011 03:29 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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The only other advantage electric has is smoother running, making it less likely you'll beat up your gyro and other electronics.
..and less likely that your fasteners will come loose or stress crack.
I can't think of anything else about electric that I prefer, tho....
Maybe the fact that they are not dripping oil and filth all over the place when you bring them home.

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12-14-2011 03:32 PM  5 years agoPost 15
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Maybe the fact that they are not dripping oil and filth all over the place when you bring them home.
No way, that's one of my favorite parts of nitro - wiping it down after a successful flight without a crash. It's self oiling, and just has that sense of satisfaction that nothing vibrated off, broke off, stripped or overheated for a full 10 minutes.

Like I said, it's like an old car with that familiar smell of leaking oil and gas. The most fun you'll ever have until the fumes start to get to you. I Love The Smell Of Nitro In The Morning is another way to put it .

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12-14-2011 03:34 PM  5 years agoPost 16
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I Love The Smell Of Nitro In The Morning is another way to put it .
Fair enough. I can't argue with that.

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12-14-2011 03:43 PM  5 years agoPost 17
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Unfortunately it can be master of none. Too many compromises have yielded a nonoptimal design.

A 12 pound electric with no forethought of proper CG balancing is a prime example.

Heavy and frustrating. No thanks.
I have seen Bobby fly both the nitro and electric version. I looked them both over and they are fantastic helicopters. Bobby flies the snot out of the electric and I don't think that it has been compromised in the quality, design, or ability department. Have you flown one?

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12-14-2011 03:44 PM  5 years agoPost 18
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I could say that if all i had to choose from was nitro I would quit the hobby,but I am not sure i could stick to that . I could force myself. I have been in the rc hobby for the last 30 years and have done everything from your typical plank trainer thru turbine jets,and i just recently decided to go electric and sold my MA Fury 55 which i really liked but in the end i was just over cleaning up after it.
I think if i could fly hard 3D i would most likely stay nitro because i don't think i would enjoy 4 minute flights to much,but as much as i would like to smack it don't think its gonna happen lol.My Fury 55 at 2000 HS 8:30 mins tank was empty, now flying a Trex 550 with a 5300 mah pack getting 8 mins at 80% with the same flight profile and that works for me. I won't say never lol, but i don't think i would go back to a nitro if i do another IC engine i think it would be the Whiplash gasser the heavier weight wouldn't bother me for how i am able to fly.

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12-14-2011 03:53 PM  5 years agoPost 19
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Have you flown one?
Nope...no more MA for me ( two is enough ).

I have decided to go girlie and fly Align from now on. Cheap reliable performance flight after flight.

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12-14-2011 05:29 PM  5 years agoPost 20
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Some nice inovations too,the autoratation oneway is on the pinion gear and the main gear is bolted directly to the mainshaft.
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The Kalt Zeus had this in the 90's. They had problems with the first generation of clutches though. I guess the one way had a tendency to spin in its housing. The second generation or aftermarket worked much better. Here is a pic of I think a Bellwood aftermarket clutch (green) and a stock clutch

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