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12-13-2011 02:44 AM  5 years agoPost 1
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Ok getting use to my Titan it flys good for it is not the best of servos (ds821) or motor (os50 hyper)but its ok. I've had a few guys at my field get rid of raptor because of the mccpm they say its sluggish and underpowered and just don't like the mechanical mixing but a few friends of mine told me there's a conversion kit for the eccpm so my questions are do you really feel the difference between mechanical and electronic mixing on a raptor and if so what an after the conversion was it worth it

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12-13-2011 04:36 AM  5 years agoPost 2
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It depends on the servos used. With todays high torque servos the CCPM can have the same feel as the eCCPM. The eCCPM has three servos doing the same work as one CCPM servo but there positive and negative points to this set up as well.

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12-13-2011 06:56 AM  5 years agoPost 3
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What are the pros & cons

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12-13-2011 01:54 PM  5 years agoPost 4
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The pros of the mechanical ccpm are easier setup and no swash intereaction from servos not being exactly identical in their travel. You also have the ability to run a mix of different servos as opposed to having to have 3 identical servos using eccpm. Running high speed and high torque servos you will not notice any difference between the two in my opinion.

beating the air into submission...........cool!

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12-13-2011 02:50 PM  5 years agoPost 5
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BTW ditch those servos, they arent particuarly safe on a 50 size nitro and thats against the manufacturer warnings for them.

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12-13-2011 02:52 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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Ok I see sum of the pros so what are the cons

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12-13-2011 03:44 PM  5 years agoPost 7
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+1 on what Andy said,those servos on that machine will work,but the question is when or where they will fail.
As far as cons...Well more parts and complexity??I've seen a many Mccpm set up right and couldn't see a difference in flight (3d and F3c).
Servos DO make a difference,maybe you dont have to be as picky as a Eccpm set up,It all depends on what you want.I had 2 raptor 50's one set up with s3151 servos on 4.8v and one set up with 8717's on 6v and could definitely tell a difference somewhat.I think the OP's concern or question was can the raptor Mccpm be as quick as a Eccpm.If you want proof look at some of Colin Bell's or even ASJ's old raptor vids.
The only conversions I know about are two. one,the xero g(per Rc Heli mag)doesn't use full size servos,so you would have to get some(more $$$ to spend)and the Klone conversion,and you still will have to buy servos(ds821's still won't cut it).So my advice is get some better servos and a robust power system and a few of the raptor upgrades and enjoy the raptor.It can fly you all the way up to some smack if your skills are there.

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12-13-2011 04:37 PM  5 years agoPost 8
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Good servos and you won't know the differnce between an mCCPM and eCCPM machine, just ask the Szabo's who flew Raptors for years.

I repeat, there's a manufacturer warning against using 821's on a 50 size nitro.

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12-13-2011 05:13 PM  5 years agoPost 9
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not the best of servos (ds821) or motor (os50 hyper)
I beg to differ with respect to the motor. The OS50 hyper is more than capable of handling this heli. I am woring on building a titan 50 SE and was debating between a 50 hyper and 55hyper. I have a 55hyper in my x50 and the power is unblevable to the point I have it dialed way back. Therefor, I decided to go with a 50hyper in the new se.

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12-13-2011 07:57 PM  5 years agoPost 10
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An experienced pilot at our field flew my Raptor 90 mCCPM and said it felt the same as his Synergy 90 and Trex 700n (same motor in all 3 heli - OS .91HZ-R and same fuel)

I can't throw the R90 around the way he can, and he really wrung it out. I was impressed.

I use JR DS8717 for collective & Align DS610 for pitch & roll.
I think it is fine.

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12-14-2011 01:24 AM  5 years agoPost 11
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the 50 hyper is a fine engine. it can do nearly everything out there accept slower and less torque. the 55 or 56 engines are quite powerfull and will push your heli along better. The bigger engines also can hinder you if you dont have collective management. theyll turn you into a stick banger lol seen it

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12-14-2011 05:37 AM  5 years agoPost 12
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Att: 67ford im only saying that for a few reasons a few of my friends tell me it will never fly like my trex 500 do that os50 just wont cut it they tell me if I want to fly my raptor like my 500 I need atlease the os55 also im new to nitro im on my 3rd gal my first 2 was only 15%coolpower just got some 30% rotor rage masters blend now I can see this os50 waking up

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12-14-2011 02:37 PM  5 years agoPost 13
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Good fuel, and a good pipe will help.

Nitro wont give you the power of a well setup electric. But it will give you the same power for 8 or 9 minutes instead of 3 or 4.

Well, I suppose it can being as they are stuffing 120's in 90 airframes now but that gets pricey

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12-14-2011 09:15 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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Good. Like ^^, get a good pipe as well.

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12-14-2011 10:20 PM  5 years agoPost 15
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Only 8 or 9 Andy? Might as well go electric and get longer flight times(g)

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12-14-2011 10:31 PM  5 years agoPost 16
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Yea yea yea.

Not everyone runs their head speed in the double digits!

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12-14-2011 10:47 PM  5 years agoPost 17
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Would getting another pipe now be a good thing or not

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12-15-2011 10:59 AM  5 years agoPost 18
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Superior the guys at your field dont know what there talking about,Barracudda is correct get better servos,i have the Titan se with OS50 hyper,running 6v nimh battery running my 9252 servos regulated to 5.7volts and its really powerful with the mp5 pipe,just finished the X50 that should be a beast

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