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12-17-2011 12:47 AM  5 years agoPost 21
James Kovach

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WOW!

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12-17-2011 05:19 AM  5 years agoPost 22
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WOW!
HEY SPARX!!! ,,,As you would say,,, Discuss!!!!

How is the Sparxs Engine Fuel working out for you or as it is called SEF??

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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12-17-2011 12:16 PM  5 years agoPost 23
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And why do we have to try to ruin every gasser post?
If either of you don't have anything positive to contribute, then it is simple, don't post!

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12-17-2011 12:37 PM  5 years agoPost 24
turboomni

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I was just saying hello to my friend Sparx and inquiring about how SEF was working for him is all. Sorry I got off topic.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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12-17-2011 08:38 PM  5 years agoPost 25
James Kovach

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Allow me to elaborate on my "WOW!"
Now, not to bash the Whipgas, but it does look a little lethargic in the flight demonstration in the video. So, would the reduction of 17 ounces be enough to bring back performance to something like a Radikal 30 or a TREX 700 converted to gas?
This is what the OP asked in his opening post.

1. Why is the Whiplash Gasser lacking in performance compared to the others mentioned.

2. Would a reduction in weight bring the Whiplash Gassers performance to the same level as the others mentioned.

3. Could the increase in weight be due to the use of the RC engine format vs the PUH as the RC has parts integrated into it such as the pull starter which cannot be removed.

First off let me say I weighted a Whiplash Gasser at IRCHA. Based on that, I would have to say that the 12.75 lbs mentioned by Bobby in the video is without fuel.

1. This is what he observed from the info (videos) presented to him. They are his conclusions and are neither right or wrong. BUT, they are conclusions that will influence his buying decision. Not a single person had replied in this thread as to why he has come to this conclusion thru his observations of the videos.

2. Any reduction in weight will increase the performance of a helicopter. Don't believe me, go strap 1 lb on the skids of your helicopter and go fly it. I do not care if it is electric, nitro or gas, you are going to see a difference. A substantial difference.

3. SO people will say yes, some will say no. I am in the Yes crowd. IMO, a manufacture loses all a considerable amount of weight management when using the RC engine. They must use its parts. They do not have to option of using lighter and possibly better parts as they do with the PUH.

Basically, my "WOW!" came from the fact that damn near no one was "On Topic" with their replies. The OPs questions were obvious and everyone danced around them. He even makes and addition post stating that no one has yet answered his questions yet you all still continue to dance around his questions, I do not understand....
Good points. I was mostly curious as to why there is a 17 ounce difference in the two motors according to Horizon and if removing the weight could increase performance drastically.
It also came from what was being posted and by whom. Some people do not have the experience or skill level to make such statements. Yet continue to post comments as if they do that do nothing but hold people back from purchasing or considering buying a Gasser. Some of these people have not been successful in building, setting up and flying a Gasser. Then there are those that have been flying them for years and are happy and content with the performance level that they have had and do not understand that the Gasser of 2 years ago is not the same Gassers we have today. Yet without the experience of the newer Gassers are turning people away telling people they are only good for "cruising around". Then you have those who do not possess the skills to push a Gasser or a Nitro/Electric for that matter posting about the performance limitations of a Gasser. These people have done nothing more then fly around in "Sport mode" at 1600-1800 RPM yet they are fully capable of telling you that no Gasser can do any type of Hard 3D.

What you people making these statements do not realize is that you are holding Gassers back. Companies need to see a profitable reason to develop and improve Gassers. That means they need sales. How about trying to help with sales instead of hindering them.

turboomni, I have told you before, I refuse to respond to any of your posts when made in your typical smarta$$ manner. Sparxs Engine Fuel, cute but I understand the intent of the statement.

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12-17-2011 10:53 PM  5 years agoPost 26
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urboomni, I have told you before, I refuse to respond to any of your posts when made in your typical smarta$$ manner.
WOW!

You just did lol,,,,

But BRAVO on your post,,,now please step down from your soapbox,, now that you have now insulted everyone that has posted here. Good work as usual!!

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12-17-2011 11:21 PM  5 years agoPost 27
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Sorry guys...

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12-18-2011 01:26 AM  5 years agoPost 28
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12-18-2011 01:26 PM  5 years agoPost 29
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http://www.oneillbrothers.com/rc-ca...rod-engine.html

This looks like a power house! RC version so it might work. Of course the hp rating won't be exact because of the exhaust systems used on heli's; but looks promising. What gear ratios option are there for the whip?

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12-18-2011 03:17 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Carey Shurley

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stock will be 6.88
options are 6.52 and 7.29

almost all of the high power claims are based on using a tuned exhaust which is usually good for 2-3hp in an of itself.

so far nobody has come up with a USABLE tuned exhaust system for a helicopter. they are all long and attach to the tail boom which guarantees they will be damaged in any mishap.

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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12-18-2011 03:30 PM  5 years agoPost 31
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I know those numbers r with a tuned exhaust. So if they advertise 7.5hp with a tuned exhaust, I would take 5 or even 5.5hp with a muffler. Who's making the best gasser muffler now these days.

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12-18-2011 03:34 PM  5 years agoPost 32
Carey Shurley

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so far the only ones I've seen that work at high rpm are the Hatori and the stock can

I'll be testing the torpedo V5 shortly but the slim made the engine pulse at high rpm

if you operate in the 12-13K range they will all work about the same

the century is the lightest. I did a comparison of some systems HERE

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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12-18-2011 07:07 PM  5 years agoPost 33
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12-18-2011 08:43 PM  5 years agoPost 34
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Its not the weight... some gassers are already close enough in weight to their nitro and electric counter parts.

It is not the HP the gas engine puts out either... some of these modified gas engines are putting out more HP than a 91 nitro engine.

There a far more things than weight and HP than determine the overall performance.

There are some gassers out there performing damn near as well as a 91 powered nitro..... even a pro has said as much

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12-18-2011 09:49 PM  5 years agoPost 35
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the most interesting part of this thread is that there's a lot of squabbling about weight and performance of a model that doesn't yet exist in production form

the model flown at the Jamboree was in prototype form, the pre-production models will be around soon for some additional testing and then the model will go into production. There will be some changes made before the final production version.

nobody outside of Montana can say with any certainty how much the production model weighs or how it compares to others because there isn't one yet.

as always the key to comparisons is making sure everything on the model that that is configurable is apples to apples. T/T vs T/T, same servo weights, same battery weights, same electronic weights, air filter, battery, switches, fuel amount loaded, etc.

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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12-18-2011 10:52 PM  5 years agoPost 36
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Of course what you have said in regards to the whiplash is true.I do not agree with you apples to apples statement though. Will be exactly the same. Not all will be TT, not all will be belt. So to say if two models are not exactly the same you should not compare them is a little unreasonable.

Weight, IMO, comes into play when we are talking about a 3/4+ lb difference. Less than that and most people would not be able to tell on a Heli this size. Also, there are ways to compensate for little differences.

The reason I posted in this thread is because of the "gassers are what they were and have not gotten better mentality. Really nothing about the whiplash. There are people posting in this thread that do not have the experience and/skill to be making the statements that they are. They are becoming nothing but hinderences to the advancements of gas powered models and getting them more into the mainstream of our hobby.

I have been to quite a few big events this year and I can tell you the response to seeing gassers first hand by people has be extremely positive. They make statements like...

- I have never seen a Gasser fly like that
- I did not think a Gasser could do 3D like that
- That thing looks like a Nitro flying around
- They sure do not fly like they used to

and my favorite one so far

- Mike and I got done flying and this guy comes up and says... "I was telling my buddy... Those guys better richen up those engines, they are going to burn them up...there is no smoke coming out the pipe" His buddy replies..."Those are Gassers." "Really, Gassers can fly like that now?"

He totally thought we were flying Nitro 90s. And its not like there were not others flying around us to keep things in perspective. The flight line was full and there were 90 and 50 nitros flying right beside us.

So my point is... rather then trying to hold Gassers back, how about trying to help push them forward. Gain the experience and the knowledge to help rather then retaining the ignorance and hindering.

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12-18-2011 10:57 PM  5 years agoPost 37
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Carey - My thoughts exactly, and how many posts have discussed the various weights of a production gasser, from Radicals to Helibugs to MA, and quite a wide range based on the selected components.

On collective management, that is one of the biggest factors that makes a pro a pro. No so long ago, powerful electrics were only a dream and the hottest nitros needed good collective management. It is only recently that the 55/56's, hot 90's and electric powerhouses have made fliers with poor collective management look like hero's.

The good news is that Al did say he refined the G270RC a bit more from previous mods.

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12-18-2011 11:03 PM  5 years agoPost 38
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uh James........I wasn't really addressing my comments at your statements

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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12-18-2011 11:05 PM  5 years agoPost 39
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There is no power system out there that can make up for a lack of collective management. I gave seen OS 55 brought to their knees by bad CM. I gave seen scorpion powered Electrics the same. Sure they give you more room to make mistakes, but they do not remove the need for the skill.

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12-18-2011 11:07 PM  5 years agoPost 40
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Sorry carey.... didn't mean to make it feel like I was directing that at you. Should have made the post more in general.

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