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12-04-2011 03:58 AM  5 years agoPost 21
dkshema

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I think you need to shorten the long link going from the swash to the left-end of the grip-mounted lever. The manual wants the angle between the link the lever to be 90 degrees. Your setup isn't. If you shorten that link, you'll get the 90 degree setting, and the leading edge of the blades will move downward.

Give it a try.

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12-04-2011 04:26 AM  5 years agoPost 22
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The pic says it all. If you are not 90degrees at mid stick on everything you need to sdjust. Manual refferrnce are just references. If your 90degrees on a servo is not true it throws all the setup measurements off(Just putting this fact in for readers).
I do all my setup with the radio on, the heli connected.
Manual length are just a starting point.

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12-04-2011 04:52 AM  5 years agoPost 23
tacohd86

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Only problem is that lengthening the long rod will push the blade grip to even more positive pitch.When that arm is level I get 7 degrees of positive pitch.

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12-04-2011 05:05 AM  5 years agoPost 24
tacohd86

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I can shorten the linkage rod to get 0 degrees,but then the problem is at high stick with the swashplate maxed out to the top I can only get 9 degrees of positive pitch and totally bury my pitch gage on the negative side with over 15 degrees of negative pitch.

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12-04-2011 06:22 AM  5 years agoPost 25
dkshema

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PH7 -- the upper mixing arm on this new V2 head is NOT supposed to be horizontal and parallel to the swashplate at zero degrees.

Yes, the washout-mounted mixing levers should be, but not the bell/hiller mixers up on the grips. The requirement for that lever is that it and the long link on the left-hand side of the lever must make a 90 degree angle. The lever, as a result, looks to have about a 30 degree tilt, left-end low, right-end high.

In the picture posted, that angle is not 90, it's probably about 85 degrees. The long rod is too long, and that also shows up in that the pitch arm on the grip itself is above center. Shorten the long link, the leading edge will move down towards zero degrees, and that angle will approach 90.

The fact that this heli is getting much more negative pitch than positive tells me that the the servos and swash are somehow setup to give differential movement.

I've not had the opportunity to mess with a V2 head, but looking at the manual (whose pictures are very clear for a zero degree installation), it should be pretty easy to track down the villain here.

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12-04-2011 12:14 PM  5 years agoPost 26
Jeff polisena

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turn all on and fold blades back as you would to store in blade holder with stick at 1/2 and servos and arms at 90 deg . If swash is level then adjust long rods and pitch links to align blade tips . I usually close pitch links all the way to start .The rods and pitch links need to measure exactly the same on both sides .Manual is for estimates to get you close and safe starting point .
What TX are you using ?

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12-04-2011 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 27
tacohd86

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Made adjustments

OK Guy's: If your still there.I shortened the long link.First picture shows 90 degree angle at mixing arm.Second picture shows that I have 0% at mid-stick.Third picture shows 11 degrees at high stick.That's it swashplate is maxed out at the top (servos are screamin)Fourth picture shows about 12 1/2 degrees of negative pitch (that's at 100% ATV but the swashplate will come down much further.If I dialed it to 140 atv I would have about 25 degrees of negative pitch).The fifth picture shows a 4 1/2 mm allen wrench measuring how much travel I have to go from 0 degrees at mid-stick to full positive.So basically from 0 degrees at mid-stick the swashplate will only travel upwards of 4.5 mm.But will probably travel downward 10 mm or better.Seems to me that the design just puts the swashplate to high up on the mask and I can't change that because the elevator arm is not adjustable.The only thing I can think of to do is rotate the cyclic servo horns a tooth or 2 to lower the swashplate but then nothing would be vertical and horizontal at mid-stick and linkage rods would be offset.I sent Align an email and some pictures of this but who knows when I'll hear back from them.

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12-04-2011 05:50 PM  5 years agoPost 28
tacohd86

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I might add that I had to shorten the long rods 5 full turns to achieve 0 degrees at mid-stick which is 2.5 mm shorter than Align's specks.That sure does seem to be a lot.I'd like to know how they achieve 0 degrees at mid stick with those rods at they're length.

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12-04-2011 06:06 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Jeff polisena

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Your on the rite track , when you fly you will track blades and probably still make some adjustments

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12-04-2011 06:26 PM  5 years agoPost 30
noahb

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Might send this guy a PM and see what he figured out. Seems to me maybe the mainshaft is not long enough as indicated with your measurement with the allen wrench.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t671603p1/

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12-04-2011 06:42 PM  5 years agoPost 31
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Thanks a lot noahb.One of the guys post that the flybarless model has a shorter mainshaft.They might have put the wrong mainshaft in my kit.That would sure do it.I was even starting to think that maybe I had the mainshaft in upside down,but no it won't go that way.

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12-07-2011 01:54 AM  5 years agoPost 32
tacohd86

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Bingo

That's the answer.I measured my shaft at 192mm and got on Align's website and found out that the 600N calls for a 201mm shaft and the flybarless calls for a 191.8mm shaft.Thanks to all you guys for the comebacks and helping me solve this mystery.

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12-07-2011 02:09 AM  5 years agoPost 33
dkshema

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The manual for the 600N V2 with flybar clearly shows the FL mainshaft at 191.8 mm.

The 600N and the 600N V2 are different animals.

The notation below 600FL is 6 x 10 x 191.8 mm.

According to the V2 manual, if you have a 191.8 mm mainshaft, you have the correct one for the kit.

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12-07-2011 02:35 AM  5 years agoPost 34
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Yes that is true.But I'm pretty much convinced that is a misprint, just for the fact that the only possible way that you could get equal amounts of + and - pitch on this machine is to offset the servo horns to lower the swashplate and it sure don't say anything in the book about that.With this set-up I can get 11 degrees + and about 18 or 20 -.

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12-07-2011 04:02 AM  5 years agoPost 35
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Considering that I had to shorten the long rods about 2.5mm to achieve 0 degrees at mid-stick a 201mm which is 9.2mm longer mainshaft would be much too long.Seems to me that it needs a 2.5mm longer mainshaft.I guess sooner or later Align will answer my email and I'll find the answer.

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12-25-2011 12:57 AM  5 years agoPost 36
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Solution

Here's how I solved the problem.The standard ball links are the same length as the elevator special ball link,18mm in length.Take a standard ball link out of the extra parts bag,dremel cut 2mm off and then file or grind another 1/2mm so that it measures 15.5mm in total length.Put it into the elevator A arm and it will be 2.5mm shorter.Shorten the aileron rods 2.5mm then lengthen the fly bar cage to mixing arm rods 2.5mm.The swashplate will now sit 2.5mm lower and all the servo horn ball links will be vertical and all the levers will be horizontal.Mixing arms will be level and pitch rod to upper mixing arm will be 90 degrees.I come up with right at 0 degrees of pitch at mid stick.15+ degrees positive at high stick and 15- degrees negative pitch at low stick.Simple solution and it did the trick.

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